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Satanus Inaximasus [142]
2011-10-19 07:00:08
[13 years, 39 days ago]

in bots2 i made the same suggestion many people didnt like it cause they tarts lol

but i still think the same and think its bullshit that i beat scorpion x more then 1nc at lvl 323 and could of beat it alot earlier in level if i tryed alot more

and pat - myriad beat it at level 300 dont you find it abit shit that a level 300 and level 323 beat a level 2100

so my suggestion is to make train bots alot more powerful if not all then atleast the bots above cyborg x


 
Myriad [210]
2011-10-19 08:26:50
[13 years, 39 days ago]

All trainbots are weak for their level though, except Trainmate. I guess it doesn't make sense that low level bots should be able to beat trainbots at a much higher level than them, but what makes even less sense is that the bots don't even have enough stat points for their levels.

Eg. the sum of Scorpion X's stat points is 6900, which should make it a level 1716 bot not a level 2100 bot.

Anyway, some of the trainbots were devised a long time ago by floR, and probably need some balancing. For example, X-telligence and X-terminator have the same hp and weapon, but you get much more xp for beating X-terminator due to the xp-mod. It's a similar case for El terrores and El terminatore as well.


 
Mithrandon [129]
2011-10-19 08:58:02
[13 years, 39 days ago]

agreed ... just give them some proper gear for there stats


 
ActiveX [152]
Head Moderator
2011-10-19 12:53:52
[13 years, 39 days ago]

I will not in anyway entertain this suggestion unless the whole training xp formula is realligned to compensate.

/big thumbs down


 
Satanus Inaximasus [142]
2011-10-19 17:52:10
[13 years, 38 days ago]

lesley lets be honest you wont ever like this idea cause your bots are int bots also known as SHIT lol joke


 
Smeagol [258]
2011-10-19 17:55:11
[13 years, 38 days ago]

Add more trainbots, and the possibilty to unlock next one when you beat the highest (available) one, problem solved :)


 
Draoi [137]
2011-10-19 18:32:24
[13 years, 38 days ago]

orrrr new gear.

/nod


 
ActiveX [153]
Head Moderator
2011-10-20 03:00:56
[13 years, 38 days ago]

Indeed my bot is an int bot & therefore I gain my xp from the training xp formula.The current formula has multipliers based on the:

  • training bot level
  • whether you win (x300) or lose (x100) to a higher bot
  • damage dealt
  • block chance

So an increase to the difficulty in the train bot or a changing of their level would HUGELY affect the amount of xp I could gain. Hence my strong disapproval to this suggestion.

BTW SJ, your bot is a purely fighting bot, so why are you even using a training bot? How about you leave training to the 'shit' bots & continue proving the size of your e-peen in the battle arena :)


 
Xhale [86]
2011-10-20 03:10:20
[13 years, 38 days ago]

lol

&

Just think there should be more training bot's to cater to higher levels etc


 
jovd [100]
2011-10-20 03:12:22
[13 years, 38 days ago]

less but stronger train bots


 
Jans [85]
2011-10-20 03:30:26
[13 years, 38 days ago]

I dont understand this suggestion at all. Trainbots are supposed to be (a lot) weaker than you at the same level. That's their purpose, to provide XP and kudos when you need it. Or in int-bots' cases, want it.

I'm sure they could be tweaked a bit, but they've been copypasted from Bots2, and for now that seems fine..


 
Myriad [211]
2011-10-20 03:35:55
[13 years, 38 days ago]

The idea is that they be made stronger so they are comparable in strength to real bots. Obviously this would involve altering the xp formula from trains so that the xp gain is comparable to the current rates.


 
ActiveX [153]
Head Moderator
2011-10-20 03:37:29
[13 years, 38 days ago]

& what is the point of that?

I can not see how this change would benefit the game in any way.


 
ActiveX [153]
Head Moderator
2011-10-20 03:39:01
[13 years, 38 days ago]

& you say obviously the training xp would be adjusted, I can see no hint of that in this thread. I'm pretty sure that that thought did not even enter SJ's head :P


 
Satanus Inaximasus [143]
2011-10-20 03:41:16
[13 years, 38 days ago]

lesley thats wrong im not a fighting bot im a train bot same as i was with final level hence the reason i was lvl 323 and this will also be the same so how does that make me a fighting bot?

and also jans iv always hated that the train bots arre 2 weak iv always wanted them alot stronger i just hate the fact that at level 300 its possible to win the lvl 2100 bot 1800 levels higher and still win why not make it so level 1ns can win the lvl 500 bots i think thats fair if its the same as it is now


 
Myriad [211]
2011-10-20 03:42:26
[13 years, 38 days ago]

Effectively, the change probably won't affect gameplay since the xp formula would have to be adjusted (otherwise, yeah this suggestion would just be a massive nerf). It's just more logical that the trainbots would a) have the right stats for their level, and b) have gear that suits their stats.

Maybe it would help new players get a rough idea of how to build a bot properly as well.


 
Jans [85]
2011-10-20 03:43:03
[13 years, 38 days ago]

So basically the suggestion boils down to 'same XP, but more realistic trainbots plx'?


 
Myriad [211]
2011-10-20 03:46:21
[13 years, 38 days ago]

If you want to put it that way, yeah I guess it would. But let's face it, many of the trainbots were designed pretty sloppily, with haphazard stats and poor choices for gear. They need some balancing, there's no doubt about it in my mind.


 
Satanus Inaximasus [143]
2011-10-20 04:08:35
[13 years, 38 days ago]

tbh i dnt care bout exp so lower the exp if needed i just want the train bots revamped n made stronger


 
Satanus Inaximasus [143]
2011-10-20 04:13:48
[13 years, 38 days ago]

and lesley yea the xp thing did come in my head but as u no i dont give a shit about exp that much so i just couldnt be arsed post about it lol


 
Jans [85]
2011-10-20 04:15:44
[13 years, 38 days ago]

I dont care about training, so just remove all trainbots.

/fuckedupreasoning


 
Satanus Inaximasus [143]
2011-10-20 04:27:04
[13 years, 38 days ago]

im all 4 removing train bots full stop tbh i dont really care il still make use of my bot lol :)


 
neps [229]
<123>
2011-10-20 08:14:53
[13 years, 38 days ago]
im all 4 removing train bots full stop tbh i dont really care il still make use of my bot lol :)

And where will your "fighting bot" get kudos? Where do you think all these kudos come from? Lern2economics. More importantly, how do you plan on getting to level 2?


 
Agile Azrael [178]
2011-10-20 08:35:44
[13 years, 38 days ago]
how do you plan on getting to level 2?

This :P


 
Emanuel [80]
2011-10-20 09:22:31
[13 years, 38 days ago]
i beat scorpion x more then 1nc at lvl 323

Bullshit.


 
Dominator [74]
2011-10-20 09:24:02
[13 years, 38 days ago]

im all 4 removing train bots full stop tbh i dont really care il still make use of my bot lol :)

+1

Also, I'm all for removing fighting from this game too, violence is not the way.


 
Jans [85]
2011-10-20 09:27:31
[13 years, 38 days ago]

Agreed. I'd like to replace training with hugging, and fighting with kissing.


 
ActiveX [153]
Head Moderator
2011-10-20 12:03:09
[13 years, 38 days ago]

grrr at people who think that everyone should play the game their way :[

On a related but a little off topic point the current training xp formula really does need revamping.

I believe that the main multiplier for xp should be int however the current formula heavily rewards bots with max block. This effectively forces int bots down a certain path which i no like.


 
ActiveX [153]
Head Moderator
2011-10-20 12:04:26
[13 years, 38 days ago]

double post ftw!

/me hugs & kisses Jans

weird I get more satisfaction from raping you hun ;)


 
Oden [76]
2011-10-20 12:14:58
[13 years, 38 days ago]

Well he is still tight & fresh for his age. And I say kudos to him!

/Benny


 
Draoi [137]
2011-10-20 13:46:27
[13 years, 38 days ago]
grrr at people who think that everyone should play the game their way :[

I had a pretty silent chuckle at this.


 
Satanus Inaximasus [143]
2011-10-20 18:27:09
[13 years, 37 days ago]

i dont want nobody play the game my way if they did it would make ppl alot stronger and make it harder for me 2 raspe you at high lvl if i get bored of training which dusnt happen much tbh


 
Myriad [211]
2011-10-20 20:23:41
[13 years, 37 days ago]
I believe that the main multiplier for xp should be int however the current formula heavily rewards bots with max block. This effectively forces int bots down a certain path which i no like.

Well, fighting bots are even more severely pigeon-holed into being str bots, so it evens out I think.


 
ActiveX [153]
Head Moderator
2011-10-21 02:50:08
[13 years, 37 days ago]

My point is that the predominant factor in the xp formula should be int, not dex.


 
DarkNinjaMaster [31]
2011-10-21 03:38:07
[13 years, 37 days ago]

In some ways I agree with this suggestion, in real life "training" is made as realistic to the actual event you are training for, and generally as hard as possible.

This is not real life however, and train bots are not there to simulate a real bot vs bot battle, they are there to get you kudos and exp. Due to the current formulas the best way to do that effectively is for them to be a much higher level than us, but you still have to be able to beat them, hence the weak builds.

Blah blah blah, I've got nothing against harder train bots, just don't take away the weak ones. Perhaps have two (or even three) tiers of train bots. The weak (current), the medium (properly set up builds, give + xp and kudos) and the strong (with even more stats per level and freaked builds, give ++ exp and kudos).

That should satisfy everyone, aw who am I kidding, people would bitch and moan all day if that happened.


 
ActiveX [153]
Head Moderator
2011-10-21 03:45:10
[13 years, 37 days ago]

As you want to reward stronger bots with more xp, your suggestion effectively equates to get rid of int as a stat DNM :P


 
DarkNinjaMaster [31]
2011-10-21 04:19:28
[13 years, 37 days ago]

My apologies if it seems like that Rose, I didn't intend it to look like that was what I wanted at all.

I was trying to say that it seems like SJ wants training in bots to be like training irl, but this isn't irl, then I suggested the first thing that came into my head that might be cool. I do hate int tho.


 
Satanus Inaximasus [143]
2011-10-21 05:14:41
[13 years, 37 days ago]

no lesley thats wrong i just want the bots alot stronger so i cant beat the level 2100 at all i dont care about exp il still train it will just take me longer


 
Satanus Inaximasus [143]
2011-10-21 05:16:31
[13 years, 37 days ago]

emanuel ur a retard not it aint bullshit it took me over 2000 trains to do it but i did it but also if mine was bullshit then u also must be saying pats was bullshit eh??

your a fucking dick :)


 
Satanus Inaximasus [143]
2011-10-21 05:18:16
[13 years, 37 days ago]

wished you could edit posts pfft and it took over 10000 trains 2 beat it 2 times thats all i beat it which means i beat scorpion x more then 1nc


 
Draoi [137]
2011-10-21 12:47:08
[13 years, 37 days ago]

I wish I could edit your posts to fix your poor english.


 
Necro [85]
2011-10-21 12:55:14
[13 years, 37 days ago]

I seriously hope the number of brain cells you possess gives you enough to rub together and wake up to the fact that your complete disregard to the English language (including grammar and syntax) makes you sound like the kind of person that lights cigarettes while fueling their car up

And I'm starting to think you should put the aforementioned into practice >.>


 
neps [229]
<123>
2011-10-21 12:59:23
[13 years, 37 days ago]
no lesley thats wrong i just want the bots alot stronger so i cant beat the level 2100 at all i dont care about exp il still train it will just take me longer

Sounds like an idea for a new game. Not a suggestion for this one.


 
Draoi [137]
2011-10-21 13:01:44
[13 years, 37 days ago]
...makes you sound like the kind of person that lights cigarettes while fueling their car up

I laughed pretty hard.


 
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