Seeing as the game has essentially turned back into whore wars, I suggest bring back clan diplomacy to help limit the availability of these whores.
I think 4 - 5 Diplomacy spots with the clan membership being smaller should suffice. This way smaller clans could still compete for a top 5 spot. And it would limit on how bigger clans would be dumping end of month. Also changing clan diplomacy would only be allowed to do once every 24 - 48 hours. Also to get the max energy you would have to be at war and you could also friendly. So those new, real player bots would be able to friendly clans that are raping them to help keep there energy.
Friendlying someone would actually have a use now.
There is more to this reason but I am much to lazy to type it all.
Converse, speak and shut it down if you must.
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This way smaller clans could still compete for a top 5 spot.
Nobody wants to put in a bunch of effort just for a gold trophy. They can already compete for top 5 since it usually consists of dumper clans and idle bots anyway.
So those new, real player bots would be able to friendly clans that are raping them to help keep there energy.
If one clan is raping another for energy, why would the clan raping them want to go friendly/form a truce? I don't see why they'd ever do that.
I'm not saying it's a bad suggestion overall, but the points you gave don't give it any practical meaning.
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Diplomacy would actually make what we have no worse. At the moment, it is at least theoretically possible to take away the energy of any bot in the game. Dips would change that. Also, I don't see how diplomacy would discourage whore clans, seeing as you basically made them more effective.
And it would limit on how bigger clans would be dumping end of month.
Could you elaborate on this?
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You war one clan, the other friendlies, it now becomes neautral and makes it so you can not gain nor lose energy to that other clan.
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How traitorous of them, seeing as they're your own bots..
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Well neps you personall probably have your own or 2 of your own clans that have energy dumpers, I don't know how many energy clans there are per clan but the plan is that your clan wouldn't have as good as access to the energy dumpers.
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That won't help at all. You don't understand how the system works now. Try playing a month. There is too much to explain. It's best experienced for yourself.
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I would rather not. I will just hang out alone. In my clan till the system changes.
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By system I mean freaking being fixed and stuff.
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still wouldnt really matter. neps and all of eternal will still take 1st every month. neps alone takes first every month i should say. not saying others dont help but neps is the main powerhouse there
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Freaking won't change and neither will the energy system I believe.
I'm mo of a fan of the old system but this is a new game and I'm enjoying it.
On the other hand if you decided to play properly and joined say escapism things would get a little mor competitive.
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freaking is going to change. ender was asked about it and posted a response to it in the Q&A
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freaking is going to change. ender was asked about it and posted a response to it in the Q&A
Did you even read the thread that he linked? He is very pro for it....
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his reply however is that he will most likely change it
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most likely
Yeah, he'll change it when he balances all the weapons/armor.
*laughs quietly*
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not like it matters honestly.
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Ender was a little confusingly it sounded as if he was for the motion of changing it but when you read the link he wa sall for it.
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I answered that incorrectly (I've since corrected it). Freaking isn't going anywhere.
As for the diplomacy suggestion, this was intentionally left out of bots4 to avoid the "whores as a resource" issue we had in bots2. I'm guessing I've talked about this pretty extensively in the past (probably around open beta) I think for anyone that wants to dig.
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i don't think this is the right thread to put this out, but now i'm here.
(A couple of days ago i think i read about the same issue in another thread)
Instead of implementing Diplomacy (with all its pros and cons), as a counter to dumpers in general, this is just one solution (or a part of one):
for a bot (the dumper) loosing a match, now the winner gets around 10 energy (others will be able to give you the exact range etc.). say instead of transferring the hole amount (10 energy) to the winning bot, there could be implemented a method to only transfer a percentage (e.g. 50% ~ 5 energy) to the winner thus making it more favorable to attack and win with your main/fighter bot instead of the loosing with your dumpers. The left over energy would just be lost in the system or could be collected for a special tournament pool.
This wouldn't in any circumstance solve the "problem" of dumpers but would only reduce the impact they have on the energy race. written in another way ... if you have the time and the resources this would only influence on the amount on dumpers necessary to reach the goal.
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say instead of transferring the hole amount (10 energy) to the winning bot, there could be implemented a method to only transfer a percentage (e.g. 50% ~ 5 energy) to the winner thus making it more favorable to attack and win with your main/fighter bot instead of the loosing with your dumpers.
That's the exact system we have right now. Literally the exact system we have right now..
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Or, if you meant energy disappears, like, you lose 10 energy but the opponent gets 5, then it means that losing 100-200 against another bot, your energy would stay the same, and the bot who just won 66.67% of 300 battles would lose somewhere between 400 to 1,600 energy. Without energy buffs.
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dumper x has lost the fight - 10 energy has been taken from dumper x and 5 energy has been given to main y
(leftover: 5 energy - lost in space)
did that help?
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an apology if there has already been a reduction in the energy transfer ... i missed that memo
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The current system is that winning gives you (example) 15-20 (depending on fight length), losing gives you 7-10. So he's saying the system already works greatly in the favor of those that use there bots to attack rather than those of us who use dumpers.
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Why not make the syster*m where you have to register your bot with a simple
* Real bot []
* Dumper []
That way if you fight dumpers you get 50% of what you would for fighting a Real bot. So even buffs would only give you normal energy.
Or by being a dumper your energy could also regen slower.
And if misscorrectly labeled the bot would be reset at the end of the month.
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Why not make it a bigger range for winnings?
If you attack:
- Win : get 20-30 energy
- Loss : lose 3-5 energy
Make it more practical to win than lose all the time. Right now, it's like 2 losses equals a win. Maybe even 25-40 energy for a win.
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That's the most ignorant thing I've ever heard FTP.
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system* ....is that what you are referring to?
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No, I'm not calling your spelling/typo ignorant. I'm calling your idea, to alter the dynamics of the game requiring people to label their bots this or that, ignorant.
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Why not make it a bigger range for winnings?
If you attack:
Win : get 20-30 energy
Loss : lose 3-5 energy
Make it more practical to win than lose all the time. Right now, it's like 2 losses equals a win. Maybe even 25-40 energy for a win.
If you do only this then you can fight someone 50/50 without losing much energy. What also needs to be done is have some of that energy disappear.
So currently it's 16-24 for a win and 8-12 for a loss. Leave it that way but make the actual transferred energy just say 4-6. The other 4-6 will be lost in space. Thus you still lose 8-12 for a loss but the other bot only gains 4-6. Fighting with the main bot will then be 4x as effective instead of just 2x as effective.
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So basically what you're suggestion, albeit only in certain instances, but a theoretical situation could arise where two people constantly fight one another back and forth and where they would normally only just swap energy at certain rates, you'd rather them lose energy in the process while doing it, so 500k energy between two bots fighting one another would drop down consistently as they rape each other? Another stupid idea....
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Another stupid idea..
Let's hear yours Mr. Smartass.
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Dumping would still work. However, as an added bonus, you would now be able to wear down opponents energy if you had lots of bots. Wouldn't even need to be good bots. You could win 25% and your opponent would still lose energy. So basically, yeah, it would still favor people with armies of bots.
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never claimed to "solve the problem"
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Better keep the status quo then.
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If Eternal didn't win every Month I would have no problem with dumping.
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Sorry for the inconvenience.
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It's not the teams fault there the best you obviously worked the hardest, but it kind of demotivates other teams. This is like when I joined bots2, and become known for being a huge dick. Because I personally feel the need to mess up your guys clan now. That's why I preferred change over tampering.
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You should join Escapism, they have the best chance of beating us at the moment.
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I Agee with Neps, there enough good players out there that if they joined escapism and scored for a entire month the possibility of winning is huge.
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come join us ftp :) score for as month and see how much has changed since bots2
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He sucked as a scorer in Bots2, doubt anything has changed at all from then to now.
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I was fine in bots2, even better at fucking people over, but im still not understanding this whole system
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If ender wanted to get rid of dumping he would, he could just make it so that once you have lost, say 500 energy to a bot in a single day, it says "Don't you think you should fight someone you have a chance against?"
(I appreciate neps could still dump like 30k energy on himself every day haha)
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I think that regardless of the system that Ender would have put into place he would have been met with people who, not exactly circumvented, but rather opted for a less difficult route that required less work. This is where dumpers were invented and improved upon. Id on't think this system needs to change at all, but rather things be implemented that even further grants those that do use a "main" bot rather than dumpers more of an added bonus of sorts. I'm not against dumpers, I even built some to allow myself the opportunity to compete with the so called "big boys". I don't come close but I give it my all and at least do my part to help back them.
To be completely fair, the guy who really blew dumping into the stratosphere has stated his distaste of it on numerous occasions.
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To be completely fair, the guy who really blew dumping into the stratosphere has stated his distaste of it on numerous occasions.
I barely ever see Bazza post, link please.
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I'm not certain who started it, if it was Bazza or not, but that wasn't what my comment was based towards. It was Rivan, if I remember correctly, that completely popularized dumping by having a ton of them built for him.
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Oh, yea. I think I read that thread. He was offering stars for energy dumpers basically. Then as usual, the thread was filled with people complaining.
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That's how all Eternal threads end up.
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It's one of my favorite parts of being in Eternal.
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It's definitely the best part about being in Eternal. People look at us like we're the rich snobs of society.
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Yeah, there is no better feeling then making fun of people you have beaten.
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Except maybe making fun of people you have beaten, while they whine. Oh, and all this while you're a trillionaire Jedi, force-snorting Pop Rocks off a hooker's ass. Also, the hooker shits gold and you have a dragon factory.
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scrap this idea this is a different a different game from bots2 this way we should ignore this idea
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and you have a dragon factory.
Dear Neps. May I have one please? :)
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May I have one please?
and me please
p.s please don't forget I've been waiting all my life for one :)
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I'd rather have a hooker with pop rocks on her ass.
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I would like to crap gold. It is just "golden" now :(
Back to the drawingboard.
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maybe draw an ass for nos :)
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did you copy and paste that from google?
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Is there anything else out here? Porn and google. Sometimes together.
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that just doesn't work for me :p add a biscuit in their the maybe
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what do you type in google for these?
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/cough
wanna take this convo to bmail & out of suggestions :)
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haha so your ints then?? and im more than happy to take this to b-mail ;)
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