suggestions

I think there should be different rewards for top monthly placements, specifically for clans. Right now there is no difference between 10th and 2nd place. I'm sure this is directly related to how many people actually compete in the clan race. Nobody (let alone a group of 20 people) wants to put in a ton of effort and end up with a 2nd place trophy that has the same practical value as a 10th place trophy, and certainly not on a monthly basis. There needs to be some type of incentive to score even if you don't have a great chance at getting the #1 spot.

And how would you propose this be done?

If you give plats for anything other than 1st, it waters down the 1st place clan, thus making anything other place as relevant as 1st. If you remove other trophies, such as Gold, Silver, & Bronze for the remaining Top 100 and set it more accordingly such as Silver for 2nd, Bronze for 3rd, then you have all the others clans that have nothing to shoot for.

You've brought forth quite the conundrum.

Lol

Silver for 2nd, Bronze for 3rd,

Meant Gold for 2nd, Silver for 3rd, Bronze for 4th-10th*

maybe something like getting double trophy points for being the best in your category (not counting first place since thats only a one-man category)? That way it would be better to get 2nd then 3rd-10th place.

Or maybe individualizing the Top !0 Clan Monthly Trophies. Rather than having 1 trophy that states "Top Ten", creating individual trophies for the Top 10 so you get the trophy "Second Place Clan Monthly", "Third Place Clan Monthly", etc.

10*

Yea I didn't put any thought into what the rewards could actually be, so I didn't say anything specific. Not everything needs to be a trophy though.

I agree some differentiation between 2nd/10th would be nice, but I'm also stuck on how to do this.

Maybe a plat for each clan member if the clan scores 10mil +, gold for 5-10mil, silver for 1-5mil, bronze for >1mil

That does nothing for the proposed suggestion, you're suggesting something else entirely.

Could add a gold for 2nd, silver for 3rd, bronze for 4th and 5th. This stacks on top of the gold for top 10, obviously then it may only be fair to give the top10 gold to #1 (aka eternal) too

There needs to be some type of incentive to score even if you don't have a great chance at getting the #1 spot.

My suggestion is for that

Ah ok Coco, in that case it could add some incentive to play even if you don't get first.

This breakdown doesn't sound too unreasonable:

• Platinum - 1st
• Gold - 2nd
• Silver - 3rd
• Bronze - 4th-10th

It would be a significant reduction in the number of trophies awarded to clan members at the end of the month. This is what was handed out in September 2012:

• Platinum - 19
• Gold - 170
• Silver - 259
• Bronze - 695

Under the above breakdown, it would have been:

• Platinum - 19
• Gold - 19
• Silver - 19
• Bronze - 132

I'm not against this. Before, clan member trophies accounted for of 1,143 of 2,943 (38.8%) monthly trophies. After, they would be 189 of 1,989 (9.5%). Doesn't sound unreasonable for trophies that not every member necessarily has to do much work for. The ones that do the heavy lifting will end up with the also plentiful individual monthly energy trophies.

I think he meant an additional set of monthly trophies.

I feel like those numbers only put off new players, Ender. The top 10 at the moment is pretty much just one person's bots and they wouldn't be losing anything as they can comfortably get top 10 without doing anything. Then you get clans that really put a lot of effort in, Like "IMMORTAL GODS" that will suffer because their low level energy gaining can't match the EPH of 100 answerer bots with 10k wins

I think he meant an additional set of monthly trophies.

No, I meant removing the current system and changing it to what Ender proposed.

I feel like those numbers only put off new players, Ender. The top 10 at the moment is pretty much just one person's bots and they wouldn't be losing anything as they can comfortably get top 10 without doing anything. Then you get clans that really put a lot of effort in, Like "IMMORTAL GODS" that will suffer because their low level energy gaining can't match the EPH of 100 answerer bots with 10k wins

Though I understand your point to a degree fishwick, I think the way it is now has a lot of uselessness. To give a trophy to a clan for being in the Top 100 is so meaningless. Albeit there are quite a few clans that are one-man clans, such as mine, that do have a lot of success based on the current EPH formula due them having a decent amount of wins and most of them being decently leveled. I've also said on numerous occasions I think the ability for my clan to idle into the Top 10 is a bit on the ridiculous side. But i think your argument is one with the current EPH formula, not with the overall clan ranking system.

Yeah I do have a bit of a problem with the EPH formula, even though I'm abusing it as much as anyone else. If the formula stays as it is, I don't think Ender should only award trophies to the top 10, as it is way too much work for any new clan to even think about getting close. If EPH changes, sure.

I was referring to what Fishwick said;

Could add a gold for 2nd, silver for 3rd, bronze for 4th and 5th. This stacks on top of the gold for top 10, obviously then it may only be fair to give the top10 gold to #1 (aka eternal) too

Ender interpreted the suggestion as a replacement, not an addition, at least from what I gathered out of his post.

What if it only gave trophies to clans with a 1.5 energy ratio or higher?

Possibly 1.2-1.3, but at least a dumper clan would have to work a little bit to get trophies.

or even the clan that when all bots have a energy ratio of 1.00+

I think the ability for my clan to idle into the Top 10

Lol. Fucking idiot.

Either or Leader, either or.

It'd be "easier" to hand out trophies if it went by clan over all ratio.

well it would stop all the dumper clan getting their trophies :)

Yup. :D

Dumpers are fine. They are Bots4. Just try to reward them as less as possible.

They are the whores of Bots2. It's just how it is.

They're fine yeah, but they make it a necessity to have a lot of dumpers if you want to do well, which is bad for the future of the game as new people can't compete against Neps and Lyrad's dumpers etc and may be warded off before we get a chance to snag them for life.

I think the ability for my clan to idle into the Top 10

Lol. Fucking idiot.

Lol. Coward.