suggestions

i have 2 suggestions

Suggestion 1 - i think that when we FINALLY get tourney in bots5 (lol) it might be a good idea that all wins and losses gets added to your bot

Suggestion 2 - it tells you who you win/lost against

i dont know if these have already been mentioned but if so oh well

I don't like the first suggestion. It's dumb to me.

The 2nd is equally ignorant. You see the results of who won, and what place your bot came in so you can roughly guess who beat you.

What's next, you going want to know the build of the bot that beat you?

I don't agree either Daz.

Your first suggestion will put off bots entering.

As for the second, mate the whole point of the PvP aspect is pitting yourself against opponants & seeing how you fare. That just won't happen if you know you'll lose :P

well as you know i attack everybody anyway but it will be good to find out who won you and who you won

and for those who get put off by the wins and losses what faggots lol

Meh, there doesn't really seem a point to the first suggestion, you can attack anyone if you want to know if you beat them.

Second suggestion certainly not, the majority of higher levels don't want losses (especially Myriad, Lyrad, etc), so they just wouldn't enter the tournament.

then poor them lol

"Meh, there doesn't really seem a point to the first suggestion, you can attack anyone if you want to know if you beat them."

and for that message ok il go and attack a level 240 oh no i cant cause i cant attack lower levels

so no i cant attack anybody

thats the point of the first suggestion it would be nice to know if anybody below me as won me thats the reasoning for that suggestion

I agree with both suggestions.

Why should the fight outcomes not be added to your totals? Because they weren't in Bots2? This is Bots5, I mean 4. Because higher level bots don't want losses? Go play a game where if you lose it doesn't count then.

And if I won a cat I'd LOVE to see screens of data showing me how badly I pwnd, also if I'd lost I'd like SOME indication of how badly. "Awesome I came fifth, maybe I only need to a little more work to be first! Oh no wait, I lost to the guys above me by 90:10, and they barely defeated each other, maybe I need a different build altogether."

I don't like the first suggestion. It's dumb to me.

It's dumb to record wins and losses on your bot? Shit, seems I wasted a small portion of the last seven years of my life.

The 2nd is equally ignorant. You see the results of who won, and what place your bot came in so you can roughly guess who beat you.

Do we know what results will be posted? Pretty sure no, for all we know all we'll get is one screen telling us the cat winners. Calling him ignorant for suggesting something in a discussion about something of which we have next to no details is slightly redundant don't you think? We are ALL ignorant about the tourny here. Just post that you don't want this because you don't want people to see how badly you are whipping their asses.

What's next, you going to want to know the build of the bot that beat you?

Yeah, because any of us need the tourny to tell us what our opponents builds are likely to be or probably were.

Your first suggestion will put off bots entering.

No offense but that's like saying some bots are put off from ever fighting because they are afraid of getting +1 loss, and that's fine, they can still play and compete in the level competition, training bots don't give losses.

mate the whole point of the PvP aspect is pitting yourself against opponants & seeing how you fare

Cmon, the whole PVP aspect in this game is a clicking race that has barely any interaction with your opponents or hell, even your own bot. Now we will be getting more directly combatative PVP and if I win I might not even get to see how badly I pwnd (or lost)? Sad.

That just won't happen if you know you'll lose :P

That's simply not true, if I knew I had a 0.0001 chance of getting a tournament win, I'd go for it, a thousand losses be damned.

Also, I don't see how knowing how you fared last month or the month before could dictate if you know whether you will win or lose this month. In fact I'd say that knowing more about who beat you and by how much will make competition even feircer, and give people more incentive to get stronger and reenter.

Meh, there doesn't really seem a point to the first suggestion,

The point is the wins and losses are added to your bot, if you want a meta purpose then this game is about recording your bots achievements, of which individual wins and losses is a huge part.

Second suggestion certainly not, the majority of higher levels don't want losses (especially Myriad, Lyrad, etc), so they just wouldn't enter the tournament.

*puts on monacle and brit accent* "Certainly not, this suggestion is quite out of the question aye wot wot". It's cool that the majority of high level bots voted for you to speak for them and make their decisions.

thats the point of the first suggestion it would be nice to know if anybody below me as won me thats the reasoning for that suggestion

Oh, I stand corrected.

Man, writing posts at 4am after staying up for 30 hours is kinda weird, my apologies if this makes no sense.

TL;DR:

If you don't want to risk losing, don't play. IMO the risk of losses and knowing details of how well you did would make tournaments MUCH more exciting and satisfying.

I honestly can't think of any kind of tournament where at the end, you don't know who beat who by how much, or where how many times you won or lost isn't counted against your permanent record.

Crap, I just realised that if tournament wins and losses are recorded like normal fights, people who need to windump will stack the crap outta their level range with shit bots to maximise their wins. Fuck it then, man I hate whore dumping pussies :/

Also, damn SJ, that grammar, won≠beat.

So after that long arse point by point rebuttal of others posts your conclusion is that you disagree with suggestion 1 but agree with suggestion 2? Or you disagree with both? Or you are undecided? Or you agree with both?

Go sleep my little ninja. clarity comes with a rested mind :)

why would people not want to know how much they need to improve there bot to do better in tourney

it would definitely make the tourney more competitive

it would definitely be more competitive for eucliwood and thecause as its a good chance they will be the only two winning the 200+ catagory

but i would like to see how i do against them each month

and thank you DNM for answering everybody lol

and if the wins and losses dont go directly onto the bot then why not a sub catagory where you can click to find out how many you won and lost and that continues over all the tournament this could also be something to get a plat gold silver bronze trophy for

I still agree with suggestion one as well, I just realised it's ripe for abuse.

I like SJ's suggestion why shouldn't the wins and losses not be added to the stats they are already at? and why should it not tell you who you have won/lost against.

If I won/lost in a tournament I would probably like to know which opponent I won/lost the battle against.

I don't mind help getting to 250k losses

As I see it, a tournament is similar to the playoffs in all sports, where the record is recorded separately than the "regular season". that being said, if a category within the stats of your bots profile was added for wins:losses within a tournament, recorded separately from your "typical" win:loss record then I would completely back that.

I don't have strong feelings either way on either suggestion. I can see the merits of tournaments affecting your wins/losses. It would also be nice to surface information about who you win/lose against, though I'll have to see how much data that ends up being. Full fight logs are almost surely out of the question.

i dont see how recording win/lose of tournaments would be a cause of abuse? no matter how the fights are simulated it would be the overall win/lose that would be recorded.

e.g. bot A wins over bot B with 90%-10% of a 1m simulation fights and gets 1-0 recorded

thing is ender it will make tournaments more competitive with the second suggestion if i knew a level 250 won me it would make me think what the hell im doing wrong and will make me want to do something to change my bot around so i can win

also with the first suggestion if it doesnt get added to your bot is there anyway that a subcatagory goes into your profile where it shows your wins and losses for tournament?

and where everybody says it will put people off from joining the tournament wouldnt the catagorys do the same as ender once said there will be a 200+ catagory why would a level 200-300 want to join that when there is myriad, eucliwood and thecause who will ALWAYS get top 3 thats if the tournament was running now

i think the wins should be added for the simple fact they still count as fights. Why shouldnt they be added? if people dont like that then dont enter.

It'd be nice if the tournament would have rounds, like a championship. This would increase the factor of 'luck' in winning a tournament.

So like this: (assuming the first player wins)

A vs B
     
         A vs C

C vs D

                  A vs E :  winner is champion

E vs F

         E vs G

G vs H

Then again. I'm happy with any new change / addition to the game. It's been too long.

i like that idea also jans :)

I think different flavors of tournaments would be a neat idea. I'll start with just the standard bots2 vanilla style, but later on, new ones like shopping-style or Jans' bracket-style (I think we've discussed this somewhere before, couldn't find it though) could be mixed in.

I've spoken in great lengths about a bracket style tournament and would greatly like and back it. It could back a possible "luck" win but I think in the end it would still greatly favor the "best" bot.

Is it possible to make a sub Column for tournament wins and losses in the profiles.

If your tourny wins were stored like wins/losses but a separate spot;

I think they shouldn't be reset. A permanent stat.

Debating whether or not wins/losses should be counted/stored/reset... Who cares?

WE WANT TOURNAMENTS! OFF WITH THEIR MISERABLE HEADS!

Jans raises a good point. We do seem to be bikeshedding here. How about we wait until basic tournaments are implemented and then we can iron out kinks and details?

I used to love the old tournaments. everyone fights everyone else that pays to enter 3 times and the winner is the one that won the most fights overall. Really shows the best overall builds :)

Blitz

hopefully we're not waiting much longer for the tournament to be with us