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Dumping is a bigger problem than whores. It also eliminates all your EPH problems.

Looked back at all the old bots2 clan score rankings on Enders website, made me miss the good ol days!

Lets bring Hitler back. In those days life was not so boring.

Apples and Oranges.

/shakes head... Really Esv.

But I agree cl.sc was a good system :) but I'm in two minds I like the idea of energy and the simplicity of cl.sc some how there must be a way to merge the two ?

Well, I guess if your a fan of millions of Jews being murdered than sure, bring Hitler back. Speaks volumes of your character, no?

Seriously? 2 years into Bots4 and you're still bringing up 'clanscore'? Really?

ya really.

Makes more sense to reward players for activity versus accomplishments (and EPH being lowered helps that a lot)

Just seems more of an inconvenience to have to make a ton of dumpers than attack whores. It's a bigger problem, and without question would bring balance back to the game.

Resistance is futile.

My comment were meant to pass the same idea as the jans comment. Clanscore belong to the past. Why talk about it? Bots4 isnt bots2. If you want clanscore, then rebuild bots2 and play that game. Whoever wants clanscore again should help you reconstructing bots2.

I dont see Ender or anyone else wasting their time just to clone something that others did. Of course he did this game as he wanted. Then he can feel that this is his game, not flor's. He doesnt like clanscore so it wont happen. Dont waste your time asking for it. As I said you can use your time better if you really want clanscore.

PS: as the majority of the people, I dont like Hitler and what Germany did. I respect the human integrity. That said, I refered Hitler because is something global. If I said "lets bring monarchy again", that wouldnt make sense to some people, for example, the ones who live in UK.

About the dumpers vs whores discussion, I dont have a side chosen. The only thing that I see thats positive to whores is that they are built for the clan to use (back in bots2 where there were the diplomacy between clans). Here in bots4 everyone can use them. I dont build more whores because I dont want other clans (yes I mean mostly Eternal) to profit with my work. I still have a whore clan (Ephemera) running though. I could disband it but I'm a nice person and I let the low level scorers use them.

About the dumpers, the thing is that they are mostly for individual use, although you can always share them with your close clan partners so thats not a really big issue. Since you have to build the same number of either whores or dumpers, the only difference is that dumpers are more harder to build and to maintain (expensive and more rare equipments, the need to always repair them and to recamp when they are broken, some levels require a freak build meaning you need stars...). The argument of why dont reward who dedicates more time to game starts to make even more sense to me. Yes, the monthly competition should demonstrate who worked more and better in that month, so activity should be the most important thing. However, imagine a new player with nothing to do in life. He cames here and in his first month he wins the competition. In what game it happens? None, you need to learn and normally practice. After a time, depending on your activity and talent, you can improve your gameplay.

So, who have dumpers are the people who understand the game, the good players. You can tell to a new player: to win you need to build lots of bots and dump energy on you. If you dont give any more information, the newbie probably wont do good whores and in a reasonable timing because he probably wont figure out whats the best build (so the energy of the dumpers could be stealed) and wont level them fast.

About the thing that you dont play with your main, well the only bad things are that I cant see and send bmails from it and people wont associate you to that bot unless you post in the forum with it (like I do). So to name's building (recognition) is bad. Anyway, I consider that I'm always playing with my main cause he is constantly fighting...

About the dumpers vs whores discussion, I dont have a side chosen. The only thing that I see thats positive to whores is that they are built for the clan to use (back in bots2 where there were the diplomacy between clans). Here in bots4 everyone can use them. I dont build more whores because I dont want other clans (yes I mean mostly Eternal) to profit with my work. I still have a whore clan (Ephemera) running though. I could disband it but I'm a nice person and I let the low level scorers use them.

About the dumpers, the thing is that they are mostly for individual use, although you can always share them with your close clan partners so thats not a really big issue. Since you have to build the same number of either whores or dumpers, the only difference is that dumpers are more harder to build and to maintain

Your argument about whores versus dumpers within the confounds of their perspectives is unarguable because you're taking "whores" to mean what they would mean in this game rather than what they would mean if certain elements of this game where redesigned.

Here in this game whores are attack-able by anyone, due to the removing of clan diplomacy. That's fine. The issue of this arises due to the nature of the energy system where as it is finite, meaning you can't take an infinite amount from a whore anymore (like you could in Bots2 with clan score). This is why dumpers became relevant, because only the person wanting the finite amount of energy it collects is going to get that energy. You may argue that others can take it, but the fact remains that no one will due to the nature of "dumper bots".

I believe we need a system that allows players to gain energy infinitely while attacking (something similar to clan score). This type of system only gives merit to those players who spend their time on the game. Couple this with a PVE system that grants energy based on certain "train bots" that anyone can attack, not just high level trainers and you grant everyone in this game the ability to contribute to the monthly energy race.

About the thing that you dont play with your main, well the only bad things are that I cant see and send bmails from it and people wont associate you to that bot unless you post in the forum with it (like I do). So to name's building (recognition) is bad. Anyway, I consider that I'm always playing with my main cause he is constantly fighting...

I believe the ability to play on your main rather than "dump" on your main is a huge issue. I would love to actually use my "main" bot to gain energy, rather than use dumpers to dump on it.

Couple this with a PVE system that grants energy based on certain "train bots" that anyone can attack

I floated a variant of this concept months ago Nos & you shot it down with your usual "ignorant" comment ...

I was reading a bit of that thread rose and the Sphinx idea is really very similar to the system I foresee for the PvE system that Ender will implement. My question is: why is this suggestion just being implemented now since it came out at August 2011 (more than one year ago!)?

Ender, I recommend you to re-read this old thread. I will surely do it once I have some more free time.

The new engery system is making the game harder, not long ago you was all moaning about " 'Eternal' always winning is making the game die out "

All im saying is you asked for more you got more and can't cope...

Never ever ever ever give up always try.

You get clans like "IMMORTAL GODS" Nothing like Escapism,Eternal

They have just tryed it out. why don't we try the new system out for a month or two see how it turns out it might be a good addition to the game :)

P.s I'm am waiting for my grammar to be corrected by 'neps' -_0

It's pretty simple in my opinion.

• Read update
• Enact adaptive measures if required
• Win

We've had three energy system changes, and that approach worked well for me every single time.

As Neps said, the energy system doesn't affect Eternal, or their win chance. They will continue to dominate, regardless of the energy system until 10-20 good, active players with a desire to come first get together. Immortal Gods are doing pretty well, but they are not even remotely close to Eternal, and if they were I'm sure Eternal would push it up a notch. Escapism have a few players who want it bad enough, but not enough, and they give up too easy and start moaning. If merges still existed it would be fun to see the two of them up against Eternal, though they would still have to recruit smeker and some other good energy gainers.

Just out of curiosity, am I one of the escapism members that started moaning? Well, I admit i'm not a better scorer than the eternal members but I'm quite happy with my dumper clan since its still enough for me even with this system change.

No, not you :)

guess your directing this at me :p

well i didn't moan i was just saying the game got a whole lot boring since the change happened

I liked the system before but that iddle energy made me somewhat slack. Now I feel the need to play so I kinda like more this new system :) I'm really enjoying scoring this month!

I floated a variant of this concept months ago Nos & you shot it down with your usual "ignorant" comment ...

Your idea was ignorant. You wanted to completely remove the elements of fighting others for energy and ONLY have a "trainer section" where you gain energy from. That is stupid. people should still be allowed to fight other people.

I think Sphinx stated it best when he said he wanted to introduce new options, not convert the ones we have now. You wanted to remove what we have now and replace it entirely with something else (in this case a PvE option). I think that kind of change would be very detrimental to the game. I think adding a PvE system, along side a PvP system, and balance them out where you can do either/or at your discretion would be more balancing to the games overall system.

Also, the game is evolving so certain ideas from a year ago don't hold much merit now considering the game isn't Bots2 and a year ago that was were the majority of our ideas originated from, was that mentality.

Ok, I agree with Nos on this one rose. I also think PvP should be more energy rewarding than PvE system, but I dont know how to balance it so people can stop dumping. I leave that to Ender :P

like some people said some of us do prefer the old way that bots 2 but even in bots 2 eternal was almost always in front now its always eternal winning every month. but every month is a new time to try and take them out, never give up and keep tryin even if you have to take out some clans to do it.

true! +1 sith

Easy.. Create a blue/Red side... Green - EPH Blue/red - CL.CS

Better:

People who want CS recreate bots2 themselves, and play there.

^Exactly.

eternal is unbeaten,but if we make new crew and put into them some good players for energy from raptur,immortal,escapisme,atreides and me 2,we can go for first place competition,but that is just idea,any agree with this ??

Clanscore belong to the past. Why talk about it? Bots4 isnt bots2. If you want clanscore, then rebuild bots2 and play that game. Whoever wants clanscore again should help you reconstructing bots2.

As I said.

but even in bots 2 eternal was almost always in front

Eternal wasn't a clan in bots2.

Cs is long dead, leave it there. Yes there were many advantages to it, including the mind-numbing ease of it, but bots4 is now more of a I-have-to-think-before-I-start-really-going-hardcore game. Either way you look at the cs system and the energy system they both have flaws. The energy system just rewards those who try more. Bots4 is a more selfish game is all. Everybody likes to think of the good old days of csing on bots2 but they never tend to remember the other stupid shit that happened. People's clans got hacked and kicked out. There was more auto-clickers, or at very least auto-clickers that didn't get caught for a DAMN LONG TIME. On top of that the game got hacked and taken down at least twice. You didn't have buffs. There was no real PvP unless you really pissed off a person. You had floR, who became renowned for being lazy later on. You had 100 member clans of which only 5 people played anyway, so 20 member clans are WAY more competitive.

And to reiterate people from day 1 closed beta on this game: IT's A NEW GAME, TREAT IT AS SUCH. Therefore neps and Esv are correct. Go make your own damn bots2. If you do a good job maybe we'll play.

smerker its a good idea

smeker forgot The Reason, think im the most active player in this game after neps, maybe rivan etc, my job permits me

Im an active person!!!!!!!!!!

sory reason my bad :D ..and if any for that,we can do that,and make new crew,but all want play solo.. that is problem...

I don't think people WANT to play alone really, they just need to fill their clans with EPH generators or they'll suffer for it.

whatever ^^

Some of us like having "solo" projects in tandem with our mains being in an active clan. We like to have both. :)

have you thought about making your bot actually NOT SHIT and score by attacking other players?

have you thought about making your bot actually NOT SHIT and score by attacking other players?

Is this directed to the OP?

EPH is not the problem, and nor is the Energy system. Personally I love the CS system, I love making whores, and trying new formulas, but I loved Real wars more, sadly real wars isn't in this game anymore. But you want to stop Dumpers, it's quite simple neps has what 200 dumpers so he can just poop it all onto his bot at once?

Bring back wars.

Give +100% energy for warring
50% for hostile
so on so fourth

So you can only fight those in your diplomacy once again.

Then make it so you can only change diplomacy once per day, but to help eliminate dumping or "whores" lock diplomacy with 7 days left in the month. This way the energy on the bots warred that are whores would probably diminished by day 3, so it would be more benifical to war other real clans like the ones you are vsing in the monthly race (Eternal vs Escapism) The reasons why should explain itself.



In Closing
Pros
Limited use for whores(dumpers)
Real Wars Back
More Competition
Closer Months
Cons
New code and formula
Grumpy Dumper owners

Wars would not stop dumping, it would just mean a change in tactics, 60 potential dumpers per day, each being able to dump almost 5k energy on one bot alone so 300k max. Eternal are only averaging 200k a day at the minute. Won't make the slightest bit of difference, and that's considering Neps doesn't let Thing use his dumpers, or vice versa.

And then you have the issue that your making the game require an infrastructure even more. Do you think Immortal Gods, FC Real Madrid, heck even my clan would have performed as well as they are doing if they had to build their own whore clans?

Everyone relies on Zal's whores, who would be the new king of bots if you implemented these changes, can't have that! :)

They still could, notice i only put hostile and war, as there will be no friendlies or hellp even have it so it's war no matter what again just have to fight within the diplomacy. And then you would limit Neps on what he could do per day. making it achievable for other teams.

Everyone relies on Zal's whores, who would be the new king of bots if you implemented these changes, can't have that! :)

Shhhh...don't let them know! I was going to use mind control on Ender to do this next but now it's all screwed up :\ I think everybody is having more fun with the recent changes though. I know I am. neps is still king, plenty of newer players playing and making the game interesting again. Let's just leave Ender alone to make his PvE system. All problems will be fixed then.

It wouldn't limit Neps, 60 dumpers per day really isn't a limit lol. Also he can perfectly organise his clans to maximise the efficiency, other people have no control over their target clans, so they would have to go for clans that may not be all whores, or maybe not the right levels for all the members.

Other clans could also match neps diplomacy and take his targets.

Neps' diplomacy (or should we say Eternals haha) would be to pilsen, pepper, onion, chilli etc (though probably combined to "Onion + Pepper" etc), they are all perfectly built bots, not whores

Maybe this thread should be renamed "Dammit neps stop winning so much". Mind you that's what all QQing threads are on this game really.

The forum would die then :(

That didn't make sense, I meant the forum would die if Neps did stop winning so much

Yes but you must remember that neps is the Borg and that resistance is futile.

So everyone just drop your trousers and let neps' fuck you already. It's going to happen, no matter what Ender does to thwart him.

The funny thing is with all these changes, it's probably making neps work harder and thrive more because now he has a challenge and a goal to work towards.

neps


that is all.

So, I'm back from my week-long vacation and see that nothing has changed. Pfft.

What do you expect, people don't have so much time to click like you do. I'm 100% sure that you will still be first even if you play half a month :)

By "nothing has changed" I meant the bitching.

if i had more active members in immortal gods we could be more of a challenge

Lol.....