suggestions

Simple.

With size of playerbase especially, seems flawed for game to so incentivize the clans.

And the trophy system giving same weight for 2-10 and then all the way down being effectively same place through 100th clan? Just seems to very much want to encourage wrong.

Owner still gets trophy... so would effectively be six trophies for placement. And this would potentially want to encourage more people to consider creating real clans. Dumpers and such wouldn't have entire clan continuously getting buffs needed.

People placing in 6-20 spots might be encourage to score elsewhere. More people encouraged to create. Even 2-10 spots would potentially become a more competitive region.

And... just less trophy points overall (a plus, imo).

This is where I've thought I would, personally, want to start - since today seems to be suggestion day.

I for one 100% support the dumb hoarding system that says that a bot with 778 wins should have 5.6 million energy and 2,792 trophy points in comparison it hasn't been on in 11 years, 266 days. One day when it logs on he'll/she'll be like "WHOA I'M TOP 100 ENERGY COOL!" or others with like 10-20k trophy points will be like "OMG YEAH I DID SO MUCH!" xD

I mean, sure I could actually score ~6.4 million million energy that it'd take like 200k wins with buffs and cost like let's see...9,000 trophy points while I only gain like 90-180 a month or so. I for one love supporting people that haven't played in over a decade rather than the active player base.

Btw I support every decision Ender ever made on this game now even if it's dumb because certain people have shown me the errors of my ways and that everything is perfect and flawless and Ender is a God that can't be wrong.

Not so sure on this.

Sure, you can set it to a cap of 5, maybe there's a few months of jostling, competition, and some clans split a bit, but before you know it there's an alliance of 5 of the top 8 scorers in the game and no other clan can ever remotely come close. Never will be able to unless they learn how to score 2m+ a month each which isn't possible without huge infrastructure. As an example, Lusitania managed to dethrone Apex by having more and varied lowbie scorers, rather than recruiting elite scorers that could beat Zac and Aldin on individual bots in a single month which we probably still couldn't do.

It's asking for a monopoly to form, even more so than you may already think one is, I think this would make it inevitable. It would make new players, or those that play less a lot less valuable to clans and make the game all about the sweaty nerds that can do 5m months, and less about building a community of gamers.

It would also make dumpers more required than ever as it would mean energy needs to be funnelled into a few standout bots rather than spread across lots of different and new players. Clans wouldn't have as much a reason to recruit fresh blood. Devious tactics like onlining, levelling people past their low-ratio-targets etc would get 4x more powerful which is never good to encourage, etc.

I'd be up for changes to the clan meta and probably wouldn't even mind this change personally, but thats coming from someone that would probably easily win a month if I wanted to under the changes. I think this a) makes dumpers have more power, and b) harms new players which is always gonna be a no from me.

It's unrelated but agreed on it being very silly that Rapture and Silence is Golden are the majority of the top 100 energy all time. Those ranks should just be energy actively gained, rather than energy generated.

but before you know it there's an alliance of 5 of the top 8 scorers in the game

Perhaps I wasn't clear?

This seems completely illogical to me

The game currently gives the clan trophy to its top 20 scoring bots and also the founder.

It currently incentivizes the best scorers to be in the same clan...

This month, for example, me and SinGin have ALL 5 of our top 5 energy-gaining bots. Literally no one else would get a trophy.

If you had the 8 best players all together then half are probably not going to get that trophy.

Would very much incentive smaller clans and a lot more competition then at the 2-10 spots especially, even if those clans would all get golds.

Having said that, the playerbase does not have to play "optimally" (though I very much think majority of playerbase seems to gravitate towards this).

But... the game would still benefit from not having a "rich get richer" effect by overcompensating some "super clan" and so greatly encouraging future success based on past results.

I'm not saying you'd have 8 top players, I'm saying you'd get 5 of the top 8, and those 5 would win every month comfortably if they wanted to

The real interesting thing, imo, is that the dumper strategy would be hit by lessening TPs there... but it also makes strengthens the dumper strategy inasmuch as players are more rewarded here to focus on less bots and not going wide by scoring too heavily on multiple.

I'm not saying you'd have 8 top players, I'm saying you'd get 5 of the top 8, and those 5 would win every month comfortably if they wanted to

As opposed to the current system trying to get all top 20 scorers in the same clan?

That's... what the current system suggests the playerbase to do...

Pretending your fears were valid (they aren't), that would STILL be a better system...

I think it's more along this idea:

If the top 5 players in the clan get say, 1 mill, 800k, 600k, etc. and the other 15 get between 60k or 100k or something then currently they also get a top 20 clan platinum even though they didn't really do anything. If I got 100k on a bot in the top 10 clans but I was in the 2nd place clan and got top 20 in it I'd only get a gold trophy but I still get something for barely nothing. There's also plenty of bots languishing in clans for years with 700 wins like I said before that have top 100 energy that have gathered hundreds of trophies for absolutely nothing.

I think the top 5 thing has merit though. I would also suggest that the compensation for a top 5 would be like 500+ trophy points though then so recover some of the trophy points used. The only major downside I could see to it is less of an incentive for the other 15 in the clan to help out though.

I'd rather just get rid of trophies/trophy points for inactive bots though.

I don't think dumper TPs would be hit, other than to punish new players again. Most existing dumper owners have clans with 4k+ tp's that could easily dump for years without running out. Whereas if new people tried to join in they'd have to work way harder. The meta would just be to make clans of 5x dumpers instead of 20x if only the top 5 got trophies, maybe scoring 100 energy a month to make sure you're top 100.

I wouldn't be against a sort of phased reduction in trophy points rather than the current system of #1 scorer gets the same TP's as #20, and #21 gets nothing. Maybe a plat for top 5 in a winning clan, gold for top 10, silver for top 15, bronze for top 20. But wouldn't agree when it comes to limiting energy contributions to just 5 bots (which I took as a given, as most people wouldn't leave their clan or found their own otherwise, the plats are only a big deal for non-scoring bots generally, rather than it affecting active scoring bots)

Agreed on preventing trophies for inactive bots, maybe that should be suggested separately

I don't think dumper TPs would be hit, other than to punish new players again. Most existing dumper owners have clans with 4k+ tp's that could easily dump for years without running out. Whereas if new people tried to join in they'd have to work way harder.

Yes to all this. Still a hit to dumpers. And not insignificant if value is increased and it is a much bigger hit to newer players. Interesting, imo. A lot of people like rewards for established players more than I do as well. Personally the biggest "fault" change would have though, imo.

The meta would just be to make clans of 5x dumpers instead of 20x if only the top 5 got trophies, maybe scoring 100 energy a month to make sure you're top 100.

Old ideal clans of dumpers can currently still top 100. Wouldn't be able to even come close in clans of 5 - top 20 bots would still contribute to placement...