Can a level 31 have more than 200 HP and a War Club? At level 31 you have a total of 120 points to distribute. That brings you to 130 points of STR, if all you do is drop everything into STR. Now adding STR points from gear can get you to the magical number of 154, but you have to sacrifice some other stats in the process? Am I right so far? Below is the set up I found to get the STR needed for a War Club... but It leaves you weak AF in the HP department.
http://edmazur.com/bots/build_calculator.php?l=31&s=130&c=10&d=10&i=10&b=46&h=45&g=22&f=17&h1=146&h2=&sh=22
Now explain to me how several bots are getting away with this build even though I can deal more than the allotted HP they should have, but still don't die? I fought several of these bots, dealing over 170+ points of damage at times, only to lose with them being "in reasonable shape".
That said, you're telling me there is a build that gives you the needed STR and room for extra CON at level 31 to build this? I call fucking shenanigans!
Can anyone shed some light on how the fuck these builds are even possible?
Thanks in advance for listening to my rage.
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Level 31 war clubs (x2) (http://edmazur.com/bots/build_calculator.php?l=31&s=130&c=10&d=10&i=10&b=42&h=45&g=18&f=14&h1=146&h2=146&sh=>Load)
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This was generated using Ender's build calculator.
http://edmazur.com/bots/build_calculator.php?l=31&s=130&c=10&d=10&i=10&b=42&h=45&g=18&f=14&h1=146&h2=146&sh=>http://edmazur.com/bots/build_calculator.php
STR CON DEX INT ARMOR
The Spirit Shroud +7 275
Demonic Circlet +5 +3 +5 -8 140
Venom Grip +3 +4 +6 -5 55
Blood Bather +7 40
war club (44-88)
war club (44-88)
+8 +21 +11 -13 510
STR : 138 = 130 +8 Left-hand : 104.7-209.4
CON : 31 = 10+21 Right-hand : 104.7-209.4
DEX : 21 = 10+11 HP : 360
INT : 5 = 10-13 Block : 5.00%
Absorb : 45.17%
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That was 1 minute of half ass calculating freaking it to war clubs and switching to con eq. Not hard to do with stars you can do even more redistributing str to con. Probably a tourny bot that never gets used to fight with
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So... in my continued search for how they build... I found a little more CON in this build...
http://edmazur.com/bots/build_calculator.php?l=31&s=124&c=16&d=10&i=10&b=46&h=45&g=17&f=11&h1=146&h2=&sh=
This gives 210 HP with the 154 STR needed... but this still smells fishy to me.
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That Calculation doesn't get anywhere near the 154 STR needed to build the War Club though... you're only showing 138 STR on that build.
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you put on +str gear > buy war clubs > switch to con gear and logout
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showroom freak using rattle cage, steel grip, face of horror and goblin toe to equip weapons then switch armour to something like iron pelt, demonic circlet, ghoulhide and blood bather then rediss as much str to con as possible
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so... you can still use the war clubs even though you don't have the STR to use em? WTF kinda shit is that? Isn't that broken?
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Thats what freaking is. :P
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once there equip you can do what you want to your stats after that but once the equipment breaks the bots stuffed thats why usually only specially built tourny bots workshop freak and most other bots are just showroom freaked using stars
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Doesn't that break the game though? Kinda broken that you can still use an item that you can't technically wield anymore. I take it this has been brought up before and Ender doesn't care to fix that bit of coding?
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ender knows about it has been a part of the game from the start
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Well that's comforting... Thanks for the lesson on freaking guys ^_^.
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Nice rant. I bet you didn't know that already.
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lol what is this pirate haven. weird
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Just wait until he figures out broken weapons and dumping!
Just to be of help, broken weapons are when you have no kudos and attack other bots until your weapons break and do 0 damage. You can then switch these weapons out with ones you have in storage that are full strength and switch them back and forth to "whore" your bot and get high xp if you have a fairly good ratio. 3.0+ is recommended. Having high con also helps to maximize xp from the ratio whore.
As for dumping, it's when you make a regular bot like a level 100 answerer and use it to attack your freaked level 130 blaster bot so the freaked bot's weapons and armours don't degrade. You never really have to use the freaked bot and you can use broken weapons on the level 100 answerer to gain no xp for the level 100 too. The other good part of this is that nobody else can attack you except with other freaked bots.
Whether or not you think it's broken is up to you. I'm just giving you the information.
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Just to touch on and expand what Zal explained, the thing in play here is equipment condition, as opposed to durability. When you "damage" your weapon or armor in a fight (as an attacker) that's what causes your condition to drop in the form of percentage. This is also where the kudo repair costs come from when you see that message, so if you lack the kudos, the condition will continue to drop. Defenders do not take permanent condition damage, it only lasts for the duration of the fight.
Leveling dumpers from extended use isn't really an issue (at least at level 100), so broken weapons are pretty excessive. But if you're paranoid about that kind of thing that will definitely work. In case anyone is curious or wondering, damage dealt is the main factor for xp so if your bot is doing 0 damage with broken weapons, you won't gain any xp hence what Zal is saying.
Fun fact about condition and durability; In the past when you repaired a weapon/armors condition, it did not get removed from the durability. This allowed equipment to last for ungodly amounts of time since you could use dumpers until they were utterly broken and then repair them whenever. Ender later changed it so that durability would drop in one big chunk once the condition was fixed depending on how broken it was.
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Regarding gaining xp, I believe a lvl 135 blaster won't gain any xp if a lvl 100 bot attacks it, even if it did damage. Am I right?
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Just checked it by attacking Jodim (lvl 135 blaster) with a lvl 100 dumper. The dumper did damage but Jodim did not gain any xp. However, the dumper gained some xp.
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