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I got this message:

Next month we will probably go strong for the first spot and continue competing max like we did before. I gathered all old people back, together with some of them that played for apex as well, so if u wanna as well, "in one hand we can call it merge", would be awesome as well, than we can take on lusitania :) Even some ppl from lusitania will join as well, so ye..

This seems... like a HUGE deal...

How could I not know about such a HUGE deal?

I was assured it was totally true though and I could trust them. Gotta admit I'm kinda skeptical because same person basically said everyone was joining Strung Out LAST month before... no one did.

So... is EVERYONE joining Strung Out?

I have a huge apology to make if they are, thanks.

If people are smart, tbh, they should consider smth like that, if people like this game, because atm the game is surely dead enough, if something is not done, to have like 2 competitive clans with max potential, at least, than its ggs for real. Who said everyone? :) Numbers are not quality and if u were a good leader ever, you should know this, but you werent, like u are not now and u will never be. People need a leader who can do something in this game, who achieved something threw years of playing, you achieved nothing. Well maybe your last clan did but surely not thanks to you. I said what i had.

Well, either be Tarnish, Strung Out or Apex, I hope that Lusitania has some competition during 2025. No one wants a clan with a >1 year winning streak. But you need to get along and not argue with each other xD

See, finally a guy with a brain, thats why he created a clan that managed to do something..

Thanks for the cumpliment. You did a pretty good job with SO too.

If you have all your old people back and some people from Apex and even some people from Lusitania...

That's freaking "everyone."

So how is this a secret?

See, finally a guy with a brain

Well, I'm clearly not as stupid as you seem to want to believe.

I never believed any of your same complete and utter BS when you tried to sell me on your lies over a month ago, too.

Bud, what is wrong with you?

STOP TRYING TO TRICK PEOPLE INTO JOINING YOUR CLAN.

What's your plan? You think they'll just never notice that everything you ever told them was a giant lie?

Look, it isn't complicated.

You wanna insist that you're trustworthy?

Well, then... surely, this can be confirmed, right?

So... who exactly are all these people?

Because I still contend you are completely full of crap, bud.

And you wanted to talk about respect? I showed you plenty. You kept disrespecting me with stupid, unbelievable lies and couldn't show me basic courtesy of ever being remotely honest.

YOU "show some respect," imo.

Enough of drama. Make the empire u think you are making. Im done talking to you or on this subject, time will tell, i already told you that. If i dont respond to this post anymore doesnt mean i dont respect someone, it will mean that its pointless to discuss.

Or... we could just see any actual names...

It really should be that easy...

Seriously, just admit you are completely full of crap and have been unbelievably dishonest, dude.

But, yes, absolutely... please stop messaging me with these weird, and pretty pathetic, attempts to trick me.

THANK YOU.

sweet

If people are smart, tbh, they should consider smth like that, if people like this game, because atm the game is surely dead enough, if something is not done, to have like 2 competitive clans with max potential, at least, than its ggs for real.

In this game there have pretty much only ever been 2 clans at a time that have been competitive. Interesting that the game is dying when Lusi wins a few months with a tarnished in between, but was fine when SO or Apex were dominating for years

When Apex was dominating, i would have welcomed some competition too! Tbh, it was kinda boring where i just score 1m and Apex won most of the times.

Myriad, when SO was activated the game was max dead with only one clan playing and that was escapism, we made SO to get 1st, just like Lusi now vs Apex. And i havent said that because Lusitania is winning, i said it because lots retired, i thought that at least you would get what i meant...

Seems like your best bet would be to join Tarnished then if you mainly care about competition and activity. SO has a lot of baggage with its last win 4yrs ago. They haven't won since all their cheaters got banned

I think Chris's main concern is nostalgia and trying to relive the glory days... and that's fine.

I get it. Coming back, I tried to rejoin Rapture and woulda definitely tried rebuilding that, if SJ hadn't rejected my two applications.

I respect the loyalty to his old clan.

And he's barely started there... gotta give it the full try and at least know you gave it that full effort before quitting on things.

But... I do think he'd actually fit in really well here... eventually. Realistically though... he's gonna be all alone in that clan for next six months or so and I respect it.

At least he'll know he definitely tried.

Myriad, every clan had their own cheater, even the one you are in, makes no sense what you are talking..

Fair play if he wants to recruit for his original clan and doesn't want to let go of the past, but I was merely stating reasons why it might be unappealing to join the clan for a neutral player just looking to score in a competitive month. A fresh start in a new clan will always be more appealing than some old clan clinging on to vestiges of the past. And I'm not trying to be judgmental, Escapism was one of them too

And people like chris left, i will say this last time for those who are not familiar with it, and it seems you are one of them, only because his bots on which cheater entered got baned, so only one guy 2as cheating, if that was not the case, all his bots would have been deleted. So much about that.

Myr, i remember one sentence as well, when i asked u back than to join SO and help, you said nah, people will eventually come back.

Nah, I actually totally agree.

Rebranding is stronger play.

I mean, EVERYONE wants their clan to... be THEIR clan.

Still... I know I was gonna try and rebuild Rapture because my loyalties there meant nothing else mattered... even though I fully realized it was gonna be really tough trying to care about MY old loyalties, ya know?

Even more... I kinda know current Rapture is NOT my old clan and could never be. And rebuilding it sorta has a whole ship of Theseus problem on top of that.

Still... loyalties don't always even have to make much sense and can be really strong.

I don't recall saying that, but have you considered I might have said that so you didn't feel so bad at the time? Anyway you can lower your guard, I never said you cheated, merely that other people might not be keen on joining a clan with a significant history of cheating. After all Ender implemented the tarnished feature for a reason, right?

When we won the first 2 month, that cheater that got banned didnt play, after he joined, so we would have continued our strike surely the same, just like Lusitania is at the moment. Im not raising my guard, i am telling the facts that happened. Chris was bullied max after that from other people onlining him even tho it was not his fault that his yearly effort got destroyed from one guy, as well as mine... so chris left the game for good than, but he will come back soon enough tho. Peace out.

See, finally a guy with a brain, thats why he created a clan that managed to do something..

No, it wasn't his brain that got him there. He sent nude pics to Fish/Myriad etc. and they were like DAMN BOIIII and just had to join...

I should state that I was going to join Strung Out last month and help out too but then I got chatting with Mal and made this clan purely because I thought Mal would make a good leader and so far he has. I think the problem with the clans I make is that everybody knows who I am now and doesn't bother to join because I'll just quit when I get mad. Which has been mostly proven to be correct. I think the problem with Strung Out right now is that nobody talks. You guys are great scorers but it highly depends on whether you actually come online and do stuff but to just sit in a clan with no talking is just strange to me. It's as quiet as a solo clan in there, I kid you not. I'm not sure what I want to do/what others are doing or if anyone is alive even 0.0 I get that people use Discords now but it's still strange.

Meanwhile Mal has talked so much in the past month I think we should call him the new Jans lol.

Btw, talking about recruiting for old clans and keeping on etc., I just think chriseps wants to keep all his energy he does in his own clan/whatever he did in Apex (I think he's also FloySage but I might be wrong, I was just going off that one sale thread). I don't think at this point he probably likes any of the rest of our clans.

PS: I also don't think there's truly a way for everyone to get along on this game really, too many years have passed and too much stuff has happened for everyone to just drop everything and join one clan to get 1st. I just hope Tarnished/Strung Out/Apex can stop the bleeding of people leaving though :)

...we should call him the new Jans

I used to outtalk Jans, bud.

Jans was always just a "poor man's Malachorn!"

I do miss that terrible lesser version of myself, however. Would love to be forum-muted by Jans just one last time...

not much of a game this, is it?

are we gonna play or wut

oh c-mon

dont tell me all of you turned into pete's?

~ chris

Turned into me?

who you?

PeeT obviously :P

ah.. in that case, yes obv ^^

Nah, he's Peet4juah. At least I think that's how it was spelled.

WHAT HAPPENED TO THE JUAH PEET?

As for next month, I'm as confused as everyone else right now.

Peetjuh iirc, which is just a weird dutch way of saying its a small version of peet :D

hehe close gr33n. i think they mean Petertjuh4

https://bots4.net/profile/22267/Petertjuh4

Yeah I meant that one but it's a hard name to remember with the normal name then whatever the heck a tjuh4 is.

the tjuh being one of ed's tricks of accusing people at will?

Ok now I'm even more confused than before.

Did Ender hurt you Chris? Show the courtroom on the doll where he hurt you.

aww you offended when i make jokes about your daddy? ;)

I'm starting to wonder if you're having a conversation with some imaginary person Chris :P

since your whole life evolves around here, maybe i am ^^

Still not seeing everyone joining Strung Out like you kept promising...

Was it a typo? Did you mean everyone was joining "Lusitania" and suggesting we both merge with them, too?

New names for Lusitania I came up with in the past couple of days sine Gpof/Peet joined (feel free to use any of them):

SUPER APEX
BigGayOrgyania
Apexitania
ApexWithoutZach

Anyone else got some? (this is just meant to be fun btw)

Lusitanexism?

"Boring?"

Another funny thread I missed!

Can't blame Gpof or Peet for joining Lusitania, or any other Apex members that want to leave since it will likely be a dormant clan now and they will have better resources and chances of winning elsewhere. Pretty funny though that Lusitania was created to apparently build competition and has instead destroyed all competition Apex style. If Tarnished wins this month I think it would be the greatest win in bots history lol it's pretty much 2 or 3 vs the rest of the games active playerbase around 20 players with better resources.

I will keep Apex alive as basically a holiday home for me, Tucks, Lobster and Oldtime incase we ever want to play again(not to mention it's the most succesful untarnished clan!) but it's pretty unlikely as there is never any new content or exciting updates. I would even take a new server at this point.

We're not stupid and fully realize that best case scenario is staying close until weekend... when 30 Lusitanians log on during double-speed and quickly double our energy total we had for week.

It is what it is. Seems rest of the game actually likes idea of one big clan where everyone gets a participation trophy and high-fives after a giant circle-jerk. My bad. I know better now... was a stupid noob coming from a different time, insisting clan competition was some vital component to health of game. C'est la vie.

But this thread was supposed to be about Strung Out insisting that "I'd see" after kindly telling them to stop treating me like a moron that would actually believe their ridiculous lies they were quadrupling-down on.

I've been watching!

Man, you need to realize one thing, you clan has 0 resources, when i say 0 it truly is fuckin 0, if people delete the clans you are attacking, you would make max like 50k daily energy, so how can you even imagine of winning a month? Month has just started, relax, you will get owned even by me ^^

You truly are the most ignorant person alive.

Sometimes it's hard to know when you're actively just peddling stupid, nonsensical lies... only because it seems truly possible you are just so completely ignorant that you genuinely don't know any better.

No one takes you remotely seriously, dude. You're a clown.

(Hey, look at me! I'm Jans now! You're my Malachoen! That's actually kinda awesome.)

Come, you freak of nature, race me "alpha wanna be", lets see what type of alpha u are :)

Race YOU? No, thank you. Your girlfriend has told me how much faster you are than me...

Ofc, make it look funny, because you are nothing else but dirt under my feet, useless c u n t.

And btw, i love older woman, you mother knows it best ;)

Here's the thing: the entire point since my very first reply to your very first message has been how very little weight your words carry.

See, that's your problem.

You just don't allow yourself to be taken seriously.

As such, your constant insistence that you should, in fact, be taken seriously just compounds your problem.

Undersell and overdeliver. Empty words and constant demands just make you look utterly foolish, bud.

As I said before: what was your plan? To try and trick people into joining your clan and hope they never notice? I mean... c'mon, man.

Who knows maybe that gf you mentioned is everything i have? U deserve worst thing that can be said to you. I never insulted you so far harshly, even tho u do it all the time. Who gives a fuck what you think? Wanna be alpha, listen, you must face one fact, you just suck in this game, ok? That should be the end of the game talk.

Where's the popcorn emoji when you need it?

:popcorn:

U deserve worst thing that can be said to you. I never insulted you so far harshly, even tho u do it all the time.

Hey, you know what? I've commented in the past about how you love to play some victim card... but that's actually fair.

I sorta had it slotted on my calendar to remind you here... but, yeah, at this point does feel like I just decided to keep beating some dead horse...

U know when you will be appreciated around? Never. Why? Because you just suck in this game, thats the only fact, besides that you are just trying to type novels around that i think nobody reads btw. World, especially games, are much better without toxic ppl like you are.

...way to take that win, bud.

Classy as always.

Few things to say:

Lusitanexism?

Sounds like a weird medical disorder that only Zach would get.

"Boring?"

Yeah, that's a good one. Having all the best players in the game to collect 1st places forever is pretty boring.

lol it's pretty much 2 or 3 vs the rest of the games active playerbase around 20 players with better resources.

But we got moxie! Lots of moxie!

I would even take a new server at this point.

At this point we're better off making one by ourselves lol.

Man, you need to realize one thing, you clan has 0 resources, when i say 0 it truly is fuckin 0,

But I made like 200 new bots! That's like 0+200! :P But who cares about resources really, this game is more about activity. Unless of course you just autoclick all day and play other games and shit. Mind you at this point even if everyone other than Lusitania joined together and autoclicked for a month they probably still wouldn't win lol.

Really though, that whole thing about Strung Out coming alive again is what Mal was mostly talking about though. So far all I see is you on with literally nobody else in your clan participating. At least in Tarnished we have like at least 6 people playing. Is it enough for either clan to beat Lusitania? No, probably not. Both of our clans are pretty much fighting a losing fight in comparison that Lusitania probably owns like 70-80%+ of all the resources of the game at this point. But it's only a losing fight because of the way the game is set up. I was just hoping there would be more than just us 7 or so total playing vs. Lusitania, I mean, what future is there really is it's just 7 people for competition? We could all quit next month and Lusitania could just cruise to undisputed win after undisputed win because nobody in this game seems to care about anything other than getting free 1st place wins. Nobody seems to want competition is what I'm saying :/ And maybe it'd be for the better, we could all move on with our damn lives instead of clicking all day and end the game for good lol.

WHO'S ALL FOR QUITTING NEXT MONTH!?!?!?!! xD

Don't even joke about quitting me, Zal.

Live and learn. Adjust.

Personally, I find it freeing. You tried - never any shame in that!

Whatever happens to the game after that? Not your effing problem, bud. We can just spend our time... doing whatever the heck we want.

...it's time to... just have fun.

I know I totally have some Valentine's gifts I'm planning on. :P

I just thought maybe we could have a little protest is all, like saying to Ender, WE WANT CHANGE! WE WANT CHANGE! If we all quit then the game would likely die is all :P We might be 7 people but since the other 20 active players don't want to play in any other clan then we could effectively kill off the game if we wanted ;)

Hey Zal, you guys are doing great so far though. If we win this month, it definitely won’t be easy. You guys are putting up a clinic right now! Believe it or not, this IS what the majority of Lusitania wants. I know Esv has expressed many times that he would hate to see the competition just die. So I’m glad you guys are scoring hard the way you are. It gives us a reason to.. well… score lol.

Well I'll keep on trying so long as my wrist holds up this month :P I know you guys want competition, or at least you and Esv do. Not so sure about others, I'm sure they'd be just as happy if we all quit and left them alone forever lol. That's what I find odd about Lusitania is all, you guys are at each others throats with Apex for years yet all of a sudden boom, Gpof and Peet just stroll right in with no problems lol. I'm not even sure what keeps you guys together other than not talking and just scoring/focusing on maintaining your bots.

Just saying that Lusitania is like the bipolar disorder of bots4, on one side you have the nice people like you and Esv that just want to play and talk with others, then you have Fish and Peet who either barely talk (Peet) or are just angry at everyone (Fish). I mean, when I chatted with you guys on Discord I was just trying to have some fun since Esv invited me there then all of a sudden Fish gets all pissy and you guys say I talk too much. So I'm not sure what you guys actually want, one day it's you want competition, then the next day you admit 2 of the best scorers on the game, effectively reducing competition, it's just hard to tell what you guys want is all.

I don't believe you're trying to be patronizing or any kinda condescending prick...

...but, seriously, we don't wanna hear that BS.

Have fun with your high-fives and giant circle-jerk.

I really do think your intentions there weren't poor, mind you.

...but me and Zal REALLY don't want to hear about how anyone in the game wants competition in regards to clans.

...especially freaking Esvz. Esvz is super competitive and I respect that... but the idea that he "wants competition" and all that? It's complete and utter BS (though, granted, I sorta think he believes that and his competitiveness just doesn't allow for it - still, it is complete and utter BS).

I’m sorry if anything I said came off the wrong way, but look at it this way… when Lusitania was founded, it took a solid 6 months for us to beat Apex, and we beat them with like 14 people scoring— maybe even more. I think the unfortunate thing now with Apex dormant at the moment, is that Lusitania still has so many players that banded together to “take down” Apex, which now makes it that much more difficult for the next new (or old) clan to take the crown from us.

And I can’t speak for other Lusi members but personally, I couldn’t ever leave Lusitania. I rejoined bots last February and Esv was super gracious and inviting to bring me in and help me out with everything that had changed, new metas, etc. Literally everyone in the clan helped me out much more than they needed to… and I asked a TON of questions. I know I probably annoyed everyone, yet they were patient with me and helped me out— eventually trusting me enough to give me access to certain resources. I’d never have a reason to leave and could never, unless we had a mass Exodus or decision for certain players to leave for the sole reason of providing more competition for the game. I don’t think that point has happened and I hope it never does. That’s why I enjoy seeing you guys grinding so hard right now. You’ve been in the lead almost 4 days straight now, and I’m sure with much less individuals than us. Plus, I’m sure you don’t have quite the amount of resources as us so it’s honestly pretty impressive.

So yes, it might sound like BS, but I’m seriously just being honest

Always summoning me into threads Zal!

You've really gotta get over me living rent free in your head. As a reminder, here is what happened when you joined our discord. Something like 80 messages in half an hour before you rage quit, you were the only one who got pissy and it was because I made a joke about you not being able to see all the channels as a guest. 4 different people replied to you within 30 minutes during work hours in a dead guest channel and you still got upset saying it wasn't enough - I know you need attention but I didn't realise you were THAT down bad for it.

As for the clan race, you guys are literally in first place, why are you already crying about losing and threatening to quit on day 3 while sitting at the top. Quite a few of us are busy with other stuff this month, contrary to popular belief we have no intention of winning every month, so it's very much doable if you spend less time in the forums and more time clicking links.

PS: Gpof would have to log in more than once a month to count as a top scorer, he's just doing what he does best and leeching top clan plats. It's also worth saying - if people don't decide to join you when their clan falls apart, you might be a bigger part of that decision than you're giving yourself credit for.

Hey, I actually liked everyone in Lusitania when I was there.

And very serious that I didn't think you meant harm and we're intending to be encouraging...

Just saying that me and Zal really don't wanna hear all that.

It's not even bitterness or anything... just facts.

Myriad has a post above about how you "can't blame" PeeT and Gpof for wanting easy plats. I've communicated with others that very much confirn that IS a common sentiment.

And there's just a multitude of other things I could throw out there.

Heck, just look how Apex all quit the moment things got rough. Look how those months went...

Meanwhile, there's a lot of talk but no action by anyone... minus actions that discourage this supposed want of competition, of course.

Heck, I even reached out to Esvs early last month. Showed all my cards, hoped for an honest discussion. Got fed a bunch of BS in return. It was our first real month and we didn't have any real expectations of winning... and you guys were absolutely brutal, man. Unnecessary.

The point is: we just don't wanna hear about how everyone wants this "competition.". It just isn't reality.

I came back into the game still an oldschool bots2 player. Didn't know any better. Zal's just a great dude always trying to do his best by everyone.

It's fine. It is what it is. But we made the mistake of believing the game actually wanted this competition. Fool us once, ya know?

On the bright side: it worked out well for us...

Zal, SinGin, Pirate, Rith, Cosby, Dan, OrbitingDeath, Juv0, allupinit, and Warhound are all awesome (hope I didn't miss anyone)!

...just moved past humoring the idea that everyone wants "competition" is all. That's just a lie, dude.

...spend less time in the forums and more time clicking links.

Oh, bugger off.

Spending a few moments on the forums between nonstop clicking actually gives me and Zal the motivation to stay logged on longer.

And we'll rant about whatever we damn well please, thank you.

As per usual, your "friendly advice" has been deemed completely unuseful.

And our position in the clan race doesn't change the actual game state.

"What are you complaining about? We are busy and MAY give a free win to some random clan... possibly!" Just bugger off, dude. That's just so dumb.

I'm about to go to bed but I thought this was funny:

Me 35 hours ago in the Tarnished clan forum:

I know what Fish would say if he were here, "stop bitching and just play, maybe you'll win, maybe you'll lose blah blah blah".

Fish 1 hour ago:

so it's very much doable if you spend less time in the forums and more time clicking links.

I CAN SEE THE FUTURE! xD

But I'll give more of a reply tomorrow.

Woah what? To start I’m Zach not Myriad and I didn’t say anything about people wanting easy plats. Also this whole apex quit when it got tough thing is quite stupid logic really, the only time we actually ever tried as a clan to win a month and failed was the month Mara was banned which was a decision made with 5 days left of the month and also the time Aldin went full James Bond mode years ago. Literally 2 players sold up because they were fed up of playing the same game without anything new being added for so long which we decided also straight after a 39th clan win, lobster quit years ago for the same reason also while we were winning. We stuck around and held our streak for half a year while the current Lusitania challenged us and even stuck around and won some months after the steak ended.

There’s more to this game than the clan race like high level bots/rws, trophy bots, tourneys etc we did it all to a point there isn’t much left to do other than just keep winning the same thing we won for ages, it’s kinda boring mate, maybe in 3 or 4 years you will feel the same if you have close to the same success but I doubt you will if you continue to act in this strange antisocial know it all manner.

It was way up the thread and I was mistaken in who said what... but I was commenting on this:

Can't blame Gpof or Peet for joining Lusitania, or any other Apex members that want to leave **since** it will likely be a dormant clan now and **they will have better resources and chances of winning elsewhere**.

I think my "quote" very much caught the gist there... I suppose you could try and argue you only really intended the "dormant" stuff... but you very much did add that final clause about winning - which, fwiw, very much jives with Peet's own words and the idea Fishwick gave for Gpof's motives.

So... yeah.

And ya know what? I kinda don't care!

It's a game. And everyone's entitled to play however they want. That's totally fine!!!

I just think it's time to call BS on all the BS.

Facts are facts. I'm not interested in insisting on reality being different than it actually is.

And I mean this 100% here: RESPECT TO Peet. Seriously.

He told it like it was. Now, perhaps if there had been a different clan that seemed possibly competitive then he woulda took the tougher road - I don't know and don't really even mean to imply he's some sod only looking for easiest thing or whatever. I want to be very clear here that I actually really respected PeeT's bmail to me and don't mean any disrespect to him... or anyone else, really...

It's just this general idea is tiresome.

Heck, coming back to the game Nos actually filled me in some and commented that clans were only good for trophies. I didn't think much more of it at the time other than that being his very personal opinion... but I did start to realize that that sorta actually seemed to be public consensus... and I was almost certainly too dismissive of such an idea at the time - instead insisting that the game was still basically the same one I used to play.

But... I mean... the game itself actively discourages clan competition. Was actually pretty dumb of me to keep trying to ignore that...

And so far as the reason's Apex fell? Look, I don't really know. That's fair. But... it's definitely what it looks like...

And there were enough of you left (and enough all leaving all at once) that it sorta seems like a really big coincidence that it just happened to implode like it did at that exact time and all at once because every single person just had the exact same idea that they've "already did everything" and this was the time to call it a day... it's a good story that people would obviously say... but, c'mon, man.

Again, I wasn't there. I can't know for certain.... of course. But... you have to realize how that's all gonna look, right?

If I'm wrong then I'm wrong... but let's be reasonable: you can't expect me to buy "the story" here.

And, sorry, I've never been interested in being "nice." I'll tell you exactly how I feel and what I think. Simple as that. As far as I'm concerned, that IS showing much more respect than a bunch of phony etiquette and "politeness."

Also... the game was getting boring and the forums needed some activity! I've never tried to keep it a secret that half of my rants and most of the "drama" was very much purely trying to stir the pot!

I mean... I was dealing with some stuff and hadn't really cared to post in the past few weeks and the place was dead. Just today, it was about an infinite percent more posts than those last few weeks.

You. Are. Welcome.

-The One and Only

You are buying your own story of “players stopped playing a game they enjoy playing because it’s hard to win” rather than “players stopped playing a game they don’t enjoy anymore regardless of whether they win or lose” I know which one makes more sense to me, think it through. It was easy to win throughout 2022 and I didn’t play because I wasn’t ebjoying the game.

Apex downfall is a result of me and oldtime selling I admit, it’s basically a domino effect when 2 leaders quit the other members know it will be harder to win then maybe one leaves as they see no hope and it spirals similar to when a clan wins you see progress which motivates you and your team mates to put in more effort.

I also never really cared about competition or felt bad about easy wins, ofcourse it feels better to win against a tough opposition especially when there is rivalry but there is no shame in liking an easy win too, especially in this game you normally have to earn the easy wins with some hard ones first and you aren’t responsible or shouldn’t have to leave your friends just to create competition so I wouldn’t call out another clan winning easy, they beat what’s in front of them and deserve that win.

I also never really cared about competition or felt bad about easy wins...

Myself? I'm not wired that way at all.

But people are different - that's fine. I respect that. The counter stance has just become something that feels completely dishonest is all.

Me and Zal are outliers. That's fine.

And Apex? Well, I definitely concede I still struggle with being from a different era. #Rapture4Life

I even tried to rejoin Rapture when I came back, though it was completely dead... simply outtuva feeling of obligation. It was a different time though. TinTin was the only players I remember that ever woulda dreamed of jumping from Rapture/BnW to 12M/CBMT... and he wasn't ever really Rapture and was my least favorite clanmate ever even before the jump (he just didn't ever vibe with rest of clan - wasn't even personal). Anyone else woulda gladly quit before joining "the enemy." Was a different time. That's entirely on me, of course... but seeing anyone at all ship to Lusi can't help but feel completely disgusting to me - again, totally just my oldschool perceptions though. Heck, in some world where Jans or dragonrose or whoever had tried to join Rapture? I'm pretty sure I woulda ignored our "everyone is welcomed" open-door-policy and told them that I thought Asian was looking for players on the blue server... and am certain they woulda done about the same if any of our guys tried to go over there - just a different time...

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Alright will take some time to reply now.

1) To Laurence, hope I didn't say anything mean to you, I did say I like you and Esv. As far as your loyalty to Lusitania, that's fine, you can do what you like.

2) To Fish, you live about as rent-free as anyone else in my head. I do have a memory that remembers pretty much everything. Everyone I meet lives in there forever, whether I like it or not.

I didn't rage quit the CHAT session btw. The entire point of being on a chat client is to chat and nobody wanted to chat after awhile so I left. Esv invited me is all and I left when it got boring. Not sure how that is rage quitting.

I know you need attention but I didn't realise you were THAT down bad for it.

I wasn't sure how much you guys wanted to chat so I just threw things out there. But I guess it should be like your guys clan forum when I was there, dead as hell lol.

As for the clan race, you guys are literally in first place, why are you already crying about losing and threatening to quit on day 3 while sitting at the top.

I just find it ironically funny that if we play = Lusitania wins probably, if we don't play = Lusitania wins probably.

Quite a few of us are busy with other stuff this month, contrary to popular belief we have no intention of winning every month,

Hopefully you're spending that time getting a new sense of humour ;) And as for winning every month, of course you guys are, way to make it seem like you won't though. Probably the funniest thing you've said in years.

PS: Gpof would have to log in more than once a month to count as a top scorer, he's just doing what he does best and leeching top clan plats.

Wow, throwing shade at your own clan member :(

It's also worth saying - if people don't decide to join you when their clan falls apart, you might be a bigger part of that decision than you're giving yourself credit for.

People joined your clan knowing full well how much of an asshole you are so I don't see how me saying anything changes anything, I doubt anybody even reads our walls of texts other than Zach and Mal lol. The game itself doesn't change so people will just go where they want.

3) To Zach, come join us then you can fight your old teammates and Fish etc. again ;) Show em' who's boss! xD

Anyway, back to playing. I guess I shouldn't have bothered mentioning Lusitania. I was just stating that 1) Lusitania seems to want to become more of a monopoly rather than have more competition and 2) what happened to Strung Out? That's all and yet nobody even bothered talking about it really and instead focused on personal problems lol.

I've no intention of indulging these essays infinitely but you just keep putting your foot in it. This thread was about Mal and Strung out and was pretty entertaining, you decided to talk about your favourite topic (me/Lusitania) for some reason like usual. You were coasting to a win as our biggest scorers were having some downtime, but your forum yapping has motivated quite a few of us now to actually compete so you've kind of manifested the result you were so terrified of as now your lead is getting smaller. Lusitania won't win every month, our winrate is only 50% after all, but with current rosters they'll win the ones where we are motivated to do so.

Maybe you can keep quiet long enough next month to have a chance, or at least do it in the way Mal does which is entertaining and not just whiny and hypocritical.

Ummm... game recognizes game, I guess.

Well-played, Fish.

Obviously wanna defend Zal and bait you... but then you masterfully ended with some kinda compliment to me. Bam. Now what am I supposed to do?

Just a solid shot.

Love ya, Zal... but Fish stumped me, bud!

You were coasting to a win as our biggest scorers were having some downtime, but your forum yapping has motivated quite a few of us now to actually compete so you've kind of manifested the result you were so terrified of as now your lead is getting smaller.

We were? I swear I was the biggest scorer of the first 2 days then I took a day off and here we are lol. It's entirely up to you what you want to do with your time. I simply asked a question and got no reply to it anyway. If you want to go overboard about things, go ahead. I'm not terrified of what happens, what happens happens. I took a day off myself actually. You do realize this is just a game though right? It's not the "let's all play just to beat Zal game" but if you want to think that go ahead. Maybe you can all go on #everybodyhatesZal to talk about how much you hate me too. Even when I'm nice you just think I'm being mean, I don't know what the hell to say to you.

Can't have any sort of conversation or mention you at all I guess before you go mental about it Fish -_- Go seek help.

And as for Mal's talks, yeah, I like reading them too. Not like anybody takes us seriously anyway so we just say what we want.

Zal, if you weren't in first place then you wouldn't have a right to talk because you'd just be complaining about not being in first place.

If you're in first place then you don't have a right to talk because you should just be happy.

The "rules" never make any sense... so we just will continue to ignore them.

I like Fish.

3) To Zach, come join us then you can fight your old teammates and Fish etc. again ;) Show em' who's boss! xD

Sorry, I have no intention to play or any motivation to beat my old team mates or Fish lol, like I said they made the right move and I hold no bad feelings because of it.

If I did I would just play in Apex by myself or if old Apex members like tucks/lobster etc wanted to, which again is very unlikely since we are grinding our group iron men on RS currently, a game which is updated frequently and has lots of content.

What is that RS game? Just curious :)

Ah nevermind, probably Runescape right? Never played it so it took a while for my brain to connect xD

Yeah Runescape, dont really know how to describe it other than a point and click MMO with a high skill ceiling but also a lot of afk potential like bots, so nice to watch stuff on the side while doing things like making potions/fishing or whatever. It's probably dominated by 30 years olds now that played it when it was crazy popular back in 2007, there is also a huge real world trade market to a point where Venezuelans and other poor countries like Pakistan were farming rs gold/boosting etc because it paid more than the average job there when converted from USD.

OSRS or RS3?

OSRS, I never really played RS3.

its all about the cosmetics, more so than the gameplay now so its definitely better to spend your time on Old School!!

Yeah I think OS has a much higher playerbase even today, Kingdom come deliverance 2 is out on steam today too so will probably be playing a bit of that here and there too.

Ya Zach wake up and fight your old clan mates I need motivation to login sometimes