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Step 1
Build ratiowhores up to lvl140. The following builds are just suggestions, not the best possible ones.
Level 20 Crabwhistlers (Str enough for weapon and rest points to con)
Level 30 Large Axes (Str enough for weapon and rest points to con)
Level 40 Metal Scabbards (Str enough for weapon and rest points to con)
Level 50 Mauls (Str enough for weapon and rest points to con)
Level 60 Conquest Swords
Level 70 Frozen Blades
Level 80 Frozen Blades (same build as above, rest added to con)
Level 90 Frostreavers
Level 100 Frostreavers (same build as above, rest added to con)
Level 110 Equalizers
Level 120 Equalizers (same build as above, rest added to con)
Level 130 Equalizers (same build as 110lvl but with more con)
Level 140 Equalizers (same build as 110lvl but with more con)

Step 2
Build a 130lvl showroom freaked blastermaul bot

Step 3
Build lvl 100 answerer dumpers and add those to a dumper clan so they generate energy.

Step 4
Be a nice guy and get friends. You also need to try to make your new friends join your clan. After you get your friends to join your clan, proceed to the next step.

Step 5
Try to convince your friends to do steps 1, 2 and 3. Although you can tell them to skip step 1 and lend your ratio whores. With your friends you need to repeat step 2 until you have 20 blaster maul bots total in the clan. You also need to repeat step 3 so you will have around 20 answerer dumpers per each blaster maul bot in the clan. That should be enough for winning a month if you can just unload all the energy they generate.

Step 6
Start scoring by attacking whores and dumping with your bots built during step 3. Remember to maintain dumpers ratio so they will generate energy at 60eph. The most effective way to score is to use 5 dumpers simultaneously and dump to 5 different targets.

Step 7
Repeat step 6 each month until the end of the world. You also might want to repeat step 3 every now and then to gather a huge amount of dumpers so you will have enough resources to compete when there is real competition. At this stage bots4 is not about who has the most resources, it is about who has the most time to spend playing.

If you can't win a month while performing the above steps, please try to get this built and buy a ticket to it.

PS. I am sorry for all the spelling and grammar mistakes.
The players of Bots4 deserve to know if Lord Bowler is a crook, and I am not a crook.

If you have any additional questions, please forward those to neps because he is the true master of the bots4 universe, the undisputed champion.

It's complete nonsense. Shouldn't it be build a bot, attack another bot and enjoy the game ?

In the same way that football team managers tactics would be "go out and put the ball in the goal"

I agree with you RealiTy. But the way you achieve that as Fish pointed out can be done in many different ways. I could build a bot and attack my other bots, I could attack others for energy, or even attack people that are online. Hell, I probably have gotten most of my enjoyment from building bots I don't even fight with (tournament bots). Dunno how some of you guys do training though, that shit is boring.

Playing for enjoyment should come first, but what causes that enjoyment is different for everybody. This guide is directed towards people who get that enjoyment from gaining consistent energy to stay competitive in the clan race. If you do not enjoy attacking your own bots to gain energy, please continue going 50/50 attacking bots with the same build as yours. Low level scoring is a good alternative for those that don't like either.

Thanks for the insight Gpof2. Everything makes sense now lol

Or you can just be an evil bastard and level tourney bots, steal kudos, online people(gpof covered ik), interrupt people attacking rws so they have to unwhore them, steal people dumper names, screw up someone's pretty ratio.... The list is endless really but when you decide your not really gaining anything from it and you should probably be nice guy I doubt many people will be willing to help you especially if you attack them or their clan mates.

That's my guide to being the ultimate douche :)

I personally call this thread Lord Bowlers step by step guide to kill a game but no Escapism member or Ender seems to care about my opinion or Pothead's opinion or Juvo's opinion or Pirate's opinion or Cosby's opinion or well, anybody's opinion.

It's not that this is all attainable, it's just somewhat useless in comparison to the hoarding that has happened on the game (6 years of hoarding and buying versus whatever you and your friends can make). Most of the active members are in one clan and they willingly attack the other 2 clans underneath them just to be dicks, as Pothead has said (although he was being a bit more vague, maybe more than just Escapism). They will level your low level bot, attack you with tournament bots or other bots they hoarded, or online you and steal your kudos and other stuff so you can't camp. This and other things have led to more of a competitive culture on this game were some of us have a true hatred of one another. All our suggestions have been ignored, as will yours be if you stay around Reality. If you like the game the way it is, which only a masochist would, then I hope you have fun.

tldr; My hint is that only join a clan and play for energy if you like being abused. If you want to be left alone, just train and gain some wins and don't worry.

Why do we have to bring this thread down to such negativity, saying this is killing the game and such? Samuli made this thread explaining something that can be done. That type of attitude is what I don't like, it has nothing to do with opposing views or disagreements. I'm sure other Escapism members are the same and I doubt we're the only entity or whatever you'd call us that thinks that. That mentality is exactly what has fueled any tensions there have been between the few of us that are vocal on these forums.

We tend to ourselves and we're ridiculed, we attack only our bots and we're the problem with the energy system. If we attack other peoples whores we're playing dirty, if we actually play dirty then we're driving players away from the game on purpose. If we say nothing we are satisfied with the game because we're winning, if we speak our minds and have any disagreement whatsoever it can only be for selfish reasons and not because we care about the longevity of the game. This is what it has felt like for months and I'm tired of it.

I am seriously sick of hearing this shit over and over, even more so on a thread that somebody made to genuinely help other people (and this isn't the first time). How can you even say nobody cares about your opinions when every thread mentioning them turns into a goon fest with people insulting each other? Clearly people do care, they just have different perspectives on what's important and what needs to be done. Whether I agree with them or not, I'm glad there are people who care enough about the game that they want to see changes that they believe will help it. My only wish is that we could discuss them more rationally.

Zal Zal Zal don't you get tired of moaning ? I completely understand your point but man you just wasting your time. It's not a bad game or a bad system it's people like you who doesn't want to play or dont have enough time anymore. Look at the past everyone who wanted to compete build dumpers, most of Eternal members did that long time ago, Escapism had patience, prepared and now they dominating. You say other people think like you as well ? I say they bitch and do nothing as well or they think they do by building 100 low level whores and with them trying to win a month until someone else steel their energy or until someone like Gpof shows how's the game sopposed to be played :) I done it myself and it's the best way to become successful in this game. But you need to invest your time and it's fucking boring and it's not easy to build those dumpers because if it would be easy then everybody would do it. It's the same as bodybuilding people always complain about people who takes steroids and are in a good shape they blame them for that but they have no fucking idea how hard is to build that muscle and to maintain that muscular body. Anyway my point is anyone who wants to beat Escapism or just be competitive player MUST build a dumpers clan it doesn't matter what levels they are at least over 50 so more attack limit I would say because at the end of the day it's all about you and how much time you can spend dumping that energy on your bot. And believe me it's fun and you don't have to worry about energy and where to find it because you will always have unlimited resources if you will take care of your dumpers don't be stupid like me who sold everything 3 times already :) I wish I could have more time to play back then when I worked at nights in security "watching" cameras and able to play 12 hours everynight. This is what most players doesn't have or they too lazy to build same level same build 20 bots....

Good contribution, Priceless, but the reality is "we" haven't even used Dumpers to win a month for a long time. They're all sat inactive, ready to be used if we feel threatened, sure, but in reality they are not responsible for any wins for the past year. It's just an easy way to attack someone when they beat you, instead of realising you clicked "fight again" less.

I don't think Pothead was specifically talking about us Zal, as far as I'm aware we haven't done very many of the things he's listed at all, especially recently. In fact, the only one I've personally done from his list in the last ~3 years is ruin someones ratio, and that was Fifty and we've since sorted that little spat out :p

Pirates, are we still throwing our toys out of the pram because I took ~5k energy off you? As much as Zal wishes he was the game director so he could completely change the way the game works, we have one who's outlined his plan for the game, and he has said many times in the past how he wanted the game to go towards "real wars".

We dumped, you complained about that. We scored on low levels, you complained about that. We did real wars, you complained about that. You're just a bunch of whiners that don't like losing, even though you tell us you don't care every time you can. You should try a game called cookie clicker, the core concept is very similar to what you guys want from a game, and there is no mean people that might try to play the game with you!

All that being said, only 1/3 of Pirates is complaining in this thread specifically, so the other 2/3rds aren't really whining, though I imagine lots is going on behind closed doors! :p

You can totes your own boats as much as you guys like, but there is no competition for you. Nobody is going to follow Samulii's advice because it takes too long. To a new player you're essentially saying, make ratio whores, make dumpers, camp forever on said dumpers, attack yourself, and then get others to do this to win a "competition". It even goes against the word "competition" really. This is a long process and due to the 6 years of hoarding on this game, it may or may not be of any use.

My point was more that if you intend to play the game in a clan you have a high chance of being abused in some regard by somebody. It was in response to Pothead's post. The game does have a lot of possibilities to mess with other people, which is one of the main reasons why people leave. My complaints over the years have mostly been to try and reduce these stupid tactics. Onlining is dumb. Attacking a certain person's whores or dumpers to prevent them from doing anything is stupid. Leveling up low levels is dumb (especially when we used to have jans index, which just made them more useless). These have been problems for years, even in bots2 days. I do have a lot more problems with the game, but those are a few. So sue me for trying to change a few things here and there.

If you think about it, mine and Pothead's posts are just adding to Samulii's world domination plan. Because he forgot to say "harass your opponents until they quit" as a good tactic.

I agree with onlining and levelling being an annoyance, though I don't think they scare people away, it's only really done to established people to wind them up. If you suggested something decent to improve those, I'd be all for it.

Attacking a certain person's whores or dumpers to prevent them from doing anything is stupid.

Don't agree with that though. In a free-for-all energy market, ownership of whores doesn't really matter. People don't attack them to "prevent their owner doing something", they attack them to get the energy they are generating. If you don't want the energy taken by anyone but you, don't make lvl 60 maul bots and then wonder why they get raped.

I don't see how clicking fight again vs whores in a clan score system is any more or less competitive than what we have. No matter what, it comes down to which clan presses fight again the most after preparations are finished. Whores/dumpers whatever needs to be build in any system we've had, they all take time. It also doesn't take 6 years to be just as prepared as an older clan. Depending on free time, it really doesn't take more than a couple months to build as many dumpers as one person can utilize.

If we're talking about what's creating the gap between Escapism and any contenders, it's active members and somebody with the patience to teach them the meta. Disagreements aside about what's good for the game, we all have to play within the rules that are already set. Whether things get changed or not, and regardless whether or not we agree with said changes, it's best to conform and adapt to what we play in currently.

Just like to say my post wasn't directed at escapism. I would like some changes but I'm not that bothered, I still enjoy the game just as much as if I was winning every month, I kinda miss out on lots of the social shit because I'm not in escapism or a clan with as many members but oh well it gives me more time to click links and prepare to compete with them.

-Pothead

seems to be a fair bit of whinging going on and not a lot clicking being done "dirty" tactics have always been a part of the game and id dare say always will suck it up or maybe this isn't the game for you if anybody would like to join forces and actually challenge for top spot feel free to message me and let me know whinging not getting you anywhere

My guide takes too much time?? Maybe getting friends takes too much time if you just cry all the time. I can only imagine Zal next starts complaining about that Khael and Xerex are lvl400 already. How on earth new players can start competing with them??? It takes too much time..... CRY ME A RIVER JUSTIN ZALBERLAKE!


BEST REGARDS,
your dearest friend Samuli

And to correct some things that are kinda suboptimal here you can actually use crabwhistlers or use public rws under level50. Also with the blaster build it is not optimal anymore but won't sink your boat if you do that exactly and with answerer dumpers I suggest you to take 40con off from that build and put it to str!

-Samuli

+1

I wanted to make a new thread like "How to beat Lusitania", then I remembered Samuli did this guide. As you can see, the story is and will always be the same. Whatever the dominant clan do or say, Zal will answer like he did in this thread and he keeps doing it over and over.

However, the meta has changed a bit. I don't consider energy dumpers useful anymore. Apex had lots of them and we were able to beat them by creating tons of weak bots, we didn't try to compete by building energy dumpers (although we built some). It's funny because we followed Zal's strategy (he always built tons of weak bots) and we were sucessful. Why Zal and company can't be sucessful too following this strategy?

For me these are the key steps to take to have a chance at winning the monthly clan energy competition:

1. The most important aspect for me is recruiting. To be sucessful at recruiting, try to make good relationships with every player, you don't know when he can turn into a team mate. Try to motivate your team mates to work towards the victory, that's the best moment in bots, when you are the underdog and you dream to be a winner.

2. Share your knowledge with your clan mates, think in strategies to beat the dominant clan, try different things and eventually you will find a way to win.

3. Never give up, believe that you will be able to get the win someday. Keep working towards it either by building resources, by saving some money to buy useful stuff or talking with people to motivate and try to get new recruits. New players appear regularly, I was surprised by how many different people I was able to recruit in 2024.

4. This one is specific to beat Lusitania. Build lots of weak bots at different levels. Ideally you would have targets covering lvl 20-100. This is because if we Lusitania declan our weak bots, you might struggle to get energy.

Well it seems I did make the Tips post after all. Sorry, I couldn't resist. Now it's turn for Tarnish to point out everything that's wrong with Lusitania and with the game.

I want to be very clear here: the current clan race has nothing to do with anything.

Me and Zal have actually been very consistent with our criticisms of game.

It literally doesn't matter if we were first place or last place - our concerns about the health of the game doesn't change.

HOWEVER, if you were paying attention... MY stance actually HAS slightly changed.

And... it's actually conceding that I may have been wrong about some things.

See... I actually stopped being certain that a lack of competition in the game was so detrimental!

I've actually recently began to say that... no one actually wants that competition.

That's fine!

It really is.

I was wrong.

I just think it completely asinine that everyone keeps swearing up and down that they really, really want competition.

That's all!

It's complete and utter BS.

Meanwhile, everyone got super defensive and totally butthurt over the very simple idea that everyone wanting all this competition is BS.

But, hey, your clan is 99% of the remaining active playerbase now... so, you'll never impress me with "strong words."

In the flaming trolling department?. You can't win there. There's too many of you and no audience. That just makes you the insecure bully going after me and Zal. It's weak. It's pathetic.

You're punching way down.

In THAT department... I'm the scrappy underdog taking on an entire gang. You're the random gang member shoving little old ladies and then turning to your clanmates and asking for a high-five.

You misread things, bud.

Pretty big fail.

Kinda interesting to see the spunk though. I kinda appreciate the effort.

It was all valid advice and what we did in Lusitania.

I forgot the tip about gathering tps or buying some bots with lots of them to be able to use a DE3 buff daily during a full month. The best/quick way is by leveling and reset during some months.

And regarding competition, I consider that we are having competition in these first 4 days. Last month Fishwick told me he wasn't playing this month, but it seems your forum posts motivate him to score. He did a big scoring session today cutting a lot of the lead.

It seems we will surpass Tarnish and build some lead. What will you do? Stop scoring? Or will you continue grinding to wear us and make us not want to score like this during all year? That's what happened between Apex and Lusitania. Our first win was after making Apex score to the point they beat the clan energy record and in the next month we continued scoring even harder and Apex didn't even tried much after the first days.

It seems we will surpass Tarnish and build some lead. What will you do? Stop scoring? Or will you continue grinding to wear us and make us not want to score like this during all year?

Eff yourself so much right now, dude.

This is what I'm talking about. You condescending POS.

FFS, you literally started by saying Nos could basically beat almost the entire game singlehandedly, if he really tried.

Just eff off, dude.

You are a completely ridiculous person that is completely full of feces. You are a feces person.

I wonder how much the Euthanasia Coaster would cost, it's a pretty serious ride. Maybe if you can afford that you should just try and pay everyone to score for you first, bodge guide but the cool people still use blasters!

Few last words to say here I guess:

It's funny because we followed Zal's strategy (he always built tons of weak bots) and we were sucessful. Why Zal and company can't be sucessful too following this strategy?

al will answer like he did in this thread and he keeps doing it over and over.

Maybe I'm just right all the time and everybody else has been wrong ;) Now if only Ender would believe in my ideas for change. But I guess that's at a "who cares" point by now.

The most important aspect for me is recruiting

Fun fact, I haven't actually recruited anyone in Tarnished. It was all Mal's doing really. I'm sure he'd do well even if I was gone. The only other problem with this idea is that it's hard to recruit when there's barely any players. Or at least it's hard to tell who belongs to what some days.

And regarding competition, I consider that we are having competition in these first 4 days. Last month Fishwick told me he wasn't playing this month, but it seems your forum posts motivate him to score.

I was the one doing most of the work the first 2 days in both clans really. I was surprised it was so quiet really. Then I had to go on a trip. Then all I said was that Fishwick was being pissy on Discord awhile ago and apparently it pissed him off so much he came out of retirement just to spite me? I can't say anything to anyone on this game it seems. You invite me to your server and I'm treated like shit, I talk on here and I'm treated like shit, I'm getting sick and tired of it. I do have feelings you know, I don't like being the person everyone hates. It's not mentally encouraging to be on a game that makes you cry by people being such douchebags to me. Do I deserve it? Sometimes, but not all the damn time. I can't have any fun on this game at all anymore, nobody gets a joke, nobody wants to talk, they all just want to scream at me like I'm the source of all their fucking problems in life. Well I'm not dammit, and my ideas aren't all shit, and to the ones that think they are then go fuck yourselves, now and forever.

I know you probably weren't expecting all this Esv but between this thread and the clans thread one, it just feels like gloating. I didn't care for Fish's reply earlier today and messing with Mal isn't helping anything either. He's trying his best to lead a clan, something I somewhat pushed him into even though he didn't want to, and I'm sorry to him for it. I'm sorry to him that I'm a weak person who can't stand criticism. There, that's what you wanted to hear, so there it is.

What will you do? Stop scoring?

Sounds like a plan. In fact, I'll even do one better and never fucking come back again.

The only other problem with this idea is that it's hard to recruit when there's barely any players. Or at least it's hard to tell who belongs to what some days.

I thought exactly the same when I decided to found a new clan. But eventually I was able to gather a good team.

Anyway Zal, please don't get hurt from what I said. The other clan thread is just Mal talking with an AI. I think it's pretty clear it isn't me who is writing, I don't write such a correct english and I can't type that fast. He is trolling in the forums, so I decided to do a bit of troll myself :)

Mal is telling me that it would be the best for you if you leave this game for good. It sucks that you get hurt, I don't like that people "hate" you either (I don't know if it's really hate, but you do touch some nerves, even mine sometimes). Anyway, you did a pretty good start, I didn't score in the 1st feb day because Mal asked me why I went so strong in 1st january, so this time I kept aside. However I have my scoring goals to fulfill this year and I won't stop scoring.

Has the Pity Party ended or should I come back later?