suggestions

I know this was supposed to be a cool month with new energy scoring but to me it looks kinda...boring? After seeing what people have said/talked about, it seems there's some tweaking to do in the sense that:

- The beginning of the month is still too boring due to little to no multipliers to maximize your buff cost
- There's a fear that with the high multiplier at the end of the month that people will start to go crazy energy gaining and nothing will be left/it's possible clans might be deleted or that people just use their dumpers

My suggestion is to "turn things up to 11" if you will have make June INSANE just to get people to come back and play all month long. My idea is this:

- Turn on energy for all bots in the game. No turning off energy at all. Fishwick's total war idea.
- 5x the energy gain and 5x the energy modifier at the BEGINNING of the month. This combined with lots of targets would get people going off the bat, combined with the following:
- Reduce the cost of all buffs by 75%+ or make them free all month. This would allow ALL bots to score without worry about having only the top 10 with 10k trophy points being able to afford all the buffs they need.
- Go back to top 20 bots in clans. Maybe make a hard number for max bots in clans to get rid of the tourney bots hoarding up in one clan FINALLY.
- 10 or 20x energy modifier for the end of the month. It would work the same at 20x in this scenario since we start at 5x as Ender is doing in May right now (4x multiplier). With 5x the energy gain, it would work out the same as this month too and with nearly unlimited targets due to the total war idea, you could easily focus on one bot and have probable infinite targets (except at high levels). For them we could maybe get around to doing that PvE thing.
- Increase speed of battles by 2-3x all month.

I highly anticipate all your positive feedback on this amazing plan that would make the game fun again ;) Everyone could play, everyone would be happy, I'm sure there's no downturns whatsoever to this. Unless you care about "maximum energy gained in a month" or something. I think it would make for a fun month is all. I 100% guarantee this would result in the most activity the game ha sever seen (well, relative to how many people are still interested in playing).

Well I guess since there's no rebuttals or problems then it's fine to go ahead Ender :)

You started by saying the month is boring then went on to pretty much suggest the same changes just on a higher scale, what is the reason to go back to 20 members?

Seems like another attention seeking post personally.

Indeed.

I know a thing or two about "attention-seeking posts" and... they don't go out of their way to try and offer so much input and analysis.

I mean, seriously? These insults are so lame and routine that this community literally does insane mental gymnastics just to parrot them.

If THIS was just some "attention-seeking post" then we would benefit greatly from more people trying to make them.

For the record, I love the changes and have even somewhat debated how I think Zal is misjudging how good they are. Personally, I think reasonable people can disagree and have such debates. Debates are wonderful and constructive.

Mindlessly parroting the same tired accusations (even when they make Absolutely No Sense Whatsoever) just makes everyone involved a loser with no benefit possibly occuring.

You started by saying the month is boring then went on to pretty much suggest the same changes just on a higher scale, what is the reason to go back to 20 members? Seems like another attention seeking post personally.

Well it has been boring so far. It's been increasing in activity the past few days but for the first 10 days or so 1st was around 2 million, mostly by Gpof alone and around 1 million for the 2nd and 3rd. Valhalla has been pushing up faster than anyone lately though. What I meant by adding the increase in scoring/energy multipliers at the start of the month would be to increase activity at the beginning of the month, of which there currently isn't very much difference for the first 5-10 or so days than it was before the changes. I then thought that reducing buff cost would also increase activity at the start vs keeping all your trophy points for the last 15 days or so.

The scaling idea from 1x to 5x and 4x to 20x was to parody this month, yes, but turned up to 11 :P But I also suggested more targets, more energy gain, and thus more early activity. The end month result would be similar to this month though, it'd just give people more time to get high scores at the beginning of the month. 1x to 4x is fine too, I just thought that amping things up would make it more fun.

The reason to go back to 20 members is that if all bots generated energy and all the buffs were reduced then more bots should be able to score easily, thus why not have 20 members again? It would allow more people to play the game and more scoring/more competition with newer bots vs. ones that have 10k trophy points.

You might think that I was being unserious but I wasn't. These are all sound ideas that could work to make for a super fun month is all.

Well it has been boring so far.

A magic button didn't get pressed.

Realistically, next month would be more when you start seeing any possible shakeups, as these changes were announced like the day before the new month would begin and everyone's plans in relation to clan race for THIS month were already settled without any real time to drastically alter them.

At BEST, one or two people thinking they would place 11-20 MIGHT have jumped ship or something, I guess... but it almost certainly wasn't going to effectively change this month (barring things legit being broken and forcing cataclysmic change anyways).

Even more... was clearly announced to be potentially temporary and not going beyond this single month - that would further discourage quick, drastic change.

So... does this month basically feel like previous months? Yep. That's... not really a bad thing though.

The reason to go back to 20 members is that if all bots generated energy and all the buffs were reduced then more bots should be able to score easily, thus why not have 20 members again? It would allow more people to play the game and more scoring/more competition with newer bots vs. ones that have 10k trophy points.

Only last week I think you were complaining that pretty much the whole playerbase is in Lusitania and nobody wants to even try to beat them because its too much work, now they have taken a massive hit to how much "scoring power" they can output in a month which has been effectively halved and now you want to restore that and think it will make more competition?

Also Mal I'm not trying to insult anyone, if you are getting insulted by someone speaking to someone else and giving an honest opinion then that's a you thing.

I don't think they got their power cut in half, they just have to scatter among 10 bots instead of 20 but yeah I get the point your making Zach. Anyways good to hear from you again.

Seems like another attention seeking post personally.

If that even made the tiniest bit of sense and want just the same insult constantly parroted against Zal... well maybe you could convince me that you weren't just throwing the same stupid shade you people constantly spew.

But, whatever, up is down and down is up

The point is how utterly ridiculous that statement even is here.

Dude wrote an actual well-thought-out statement and you replied with worthless garbage that tries to suggest Zal's statement was somehow "worthless" and you potentially shut down any possible dialogue on anything.

It's the same stupid constant gaslighting that habitually occurs here.

In my opinion, it's also cowardice. If you can't own the things.you're saying and doing then something is very wrong with what you're saying and doing.

Look, you don't have to like every idea. Some ideas are legit bad! But... even bad ideas can spawn good ones if people cared enough to actually try and work things out.

Like, there's a time and place for things. You wanna troll and flame and such? Dude, I'm on board! But... maybe not when people are trying to have a real conversation about something?

But... whatever. Not like this post isn't about to be deleted and wasn't a complete waste of my time, eh? It really is all endlessly stupid though, dude... and completely un-clever and just the same re-used crap over-and-over (like, isn't anyone at least a little original or somethin?)

Hi everyone, this thread has generated some discussion and, unfortunately, also some comments that are crossing the line into personal attacks and incivility, which isn't constructive. As a reminder, while passionate debate about game ideas is welcome, it's essential that all interactions remain respectful and focused on the ideas themselves, not on attacking fellow players. Please ensure we're all contributing to a productive environment.

Regarding specific ideas and feedback for potential June clan race changes (or other future iterations): I'm planning to open a new, dedicated thread for May clan race / future ideas feedback soon^TM, so that upcoming thread will be the primary place for everyone to consolidate their suggestions, discuss what they'd like to see, and provide feedback on how the May experiment is going. This will help keep the discussion focused and allow me to gather all input effectively.

So, feel free to continue discussing here, but please focus on the ideas and not on attacking each other. Thank you.

Zal me not liking your suggestions is not an attack, you seem to rush them and that's why I said it seems like they are for attention which is also not an attack it's just my opinion. You probably have a negative opinion of me but if you did that wouldn't insult me unless you were being generally nasty or calling me names or anything like that.

If you post a suggestion don't expect everyone to love it instantly or get so triggered when one person doesn't.

This thread was started with the intent to discuss ideas for June. Unfortunately, despite a previous request for civility, the discussion has continued to include personal attacks and, more recently, direct and disrespectful staff-bashing, including overt hostility towards other community members.

This behavior clearly violates the posted communication rules, specifically regarding civility and conduct towards game staff. Such actions undermine efforts to maintain a constructive forum environment where ideas can be shared respectfully.

As a result of these violations, Zal has been issued a 7 day mute.

I am going to lock this thread now as it has significantly deviated from its intended purpose and is no longer productive. I remain committed to gathering feedback on game development, and as mentioned previously, I will open a dedicated thread for May clan race review and future ideas soon. I urge everyone to engage there, and elsewhere, respectfully and constructively.

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