clans

Was told recently that if someone recruits good then they can beat Lusitania.

So... Nos, you ever gonna stop doing the solo thing?

Smeagol wanna stop doing the solo thing?

Zach? Give up the keeping Apex alive thing?

Satanic Jesus? Time to let Rapture die?

...everyone else is in Lusitania, right?

Is that everybody then?

Did I do a good job recruiting, Esvz?

(stupid)

You forgot Alan and Aldin. Contact with Asmodeus and convince him to play again.

I think Cosby (Silencio) is already on Tarnish. Did you contact Valeria from Apex?

Idk if there's more active players, I'm not contacting possible new players anymore.

Regarding Gpof and PeeT joining Lusitania, this is what happened:

• Peet showed interest in using Lyrad. After trying to set a deal with him, he proposed to score for Lusitania. I agreed and now we have been talking daily (mostly can I use Lyrad? Can I windump it? lol) but I feel that he is becoming a true member of Lusitania and I'm enjoying it.

• I've always wanted Gpof in my clan. We were together in Escapism for a long time. His tournament knowledge is what I missed. When I founded Lusitania and we started competing against Apex, I stopped talking with him about tourney builds. Now I can ask him if my lvl 200 build is the same as his lol.

Holy crap... just realized that if Tarnished disappeared in a plane crash then it would be Nos's Solo Act versus literally every other active scorer in the game.

And his clan name would be REALLY awesome then.

Suck for him though, as literally everyone in the game would insist he could win if he only tried a little harder.

(so stupid)

FWIW, there aren't people in this game.

And we've resigned ourselves to that fact, thanks.

We have WarHound. And he's freaking awesome.

We'd love to find some new dudes like WarHound!

But we aren't deluding ourselves to humor the constant BS that all of you insist on trying to feed us.

That's really it! Simple as that.

The playerbase doesn't want to create or foster competition. Everyone is set in their ways.

I'm not even criticizing this fact

This isn't a "woe is me" deal.

Please just stop with the incessant BS you keep trying to spread. That's... it.

We're not gonna be here to freaking humor you.

And Alan and Aldin are very much not worth mentioning, thanks.

I... didn't actually forget them.

But, Nos?

It HAS been awhile since I tried to recruit YOU...

It's not that I forgot about ya, Nos. It's just that I've made my feelings for you very clear and the ball's in your court now, bud.

We're not gonna be here to freaking humor you.

The last 24 hours has an entire novel worth of humor(ing).

I would say Nos could win if he recruited more players to his clan.

As I said, new players appear every now and then. In the last year these are the players that never played much bots4 in the past and were or still are active:

• Asmodeus
• Mal
• Seath
• El Vital
• Dewsbarry (actually might have played a lot in the past, I'm not sure)
• Rames
• Kritakon3
• PicklePug
• Meq

All of them are/were in Lusitania. It's a list of 9 people and I probably missed someone.

Oh, I'm still me.

Forum work? Yeah... I'll humor you THERE.

We have WarHound. And he's freaking awesome.

We'd love to find some new dudes like WarHound!

It sounds like the new player I'm talking about. You just need to motivate him to play and help him with some tips. And then wait and find some more players like him.

Another option is to try to convince my team mates to join you. Some will eventually get bored of winning every month and may look for a challenge.

Yeah Esv picked my grimy ass up off the street and gave me a little bubble bath, cleaned me off, and put me in the starting lineup. I said “aye aye coach!”

• Seath

One more time: we just don't wanna hear all the BS and "tips."

It is what it is.

Can you just stop trying to gaslight us into thinking it's something else?

That's ALL I've been asking.

And here's the real deal... no one is asking for everyone to join OUR clan.

Start your own freaking clans, if you genuinely want competition. Problem solved!

Make a Lusitania2 and have a fantasty draft and then duke it out. Problem solved!

Well Mount Wario may get its first win someday.

It's really not that complicated; It's YOUR problem.

It's not our problem.

You wanna insist it's something you care so much about? Cool.

That's YOUR problem though.

We're just tired of you trying to tell us how we have to fix your problem and what we need to do about.

It's not our problem.

If you care so much then freaking do something about it.

We're fine.

YOU, supposedly, have this problem.

It's not our freaking job to do your bidding, pal.

We don't work for you.

We're kinda the couple people NOT in your clan...

So, for the love of god, deal with your own crap.

We'll deal with our crap.

You deal with YOUR crap.

And, for the record, I think that you think you're smart and tricked us into scoring and everything by constantly insisting you don't want to win every month and saying that you might let us win and everything?

No one has ever scored here for YOU. We didn't fall for your "clever" deceptions.

You've just been a complete and utter pecker about things, bud.

Your constant "maybe we'll let you win one month" schtick is just condescending douchery.

Stop being such a douche, dude.

Alright, I hear you loud and clear. You don’t think this is your problem, you don’t want to be involved, and you’re tired of me bringing it up. Fine. I can accept that. But let’s set the record straight on a few things.

First off, just because you say it’s not your problem doesn’t mean it won’t affect you. You can bury your head in the sand all you want, but reality has a way of catching up with people. If this situation ever blows back your way, don’t expect me to pretend like you didn’t have a chance to be part of the solution.

Second, I never asked you to “do my bidding” or “work for me.” That’s a lazy way to dismiss something you don’t want to deal with. What I did was point out an issue—one that, whether you like it or not, exists. I didn’t come to you demanding action, but rather expecting some level of awareness and responsibility. If you’re so eager to wash your hands of it, that says a lot.

And let’s talk about this idea that “you’re fine.” That’s great. You’re comfortable, things are good on your end, so you see no reason to be concerned. But history is full of examples of people who thought they were fine—right up until they weren’t. And by the time they realized it, they had no one left to turn to.

You say it’s my problem. That’s fair. I won’t argue that. But here’s the deal—when people shrug off responsibility and refuse to acknowledge problems around them, those problems tend to grow. And when they grow big enough, they don’t stay confined to just one person. So when the consequences of this situation come knocking, don’t be shocked when I remind you of this conversation.

Lastly, let’s drop the whole “we’re not in your clan” thing. That’s irrelevant. This isn’t about sides, cliques, or any of that nonsense. This is about basic awareness, about acknowledging that not everything in life is just someone else’s issue to deal with. But if you’re dead set on this “not my problem” stance, fine. I won’t waste my breath any longer.

Just don’t come looking for sympathy when the situation shifts, because at that point, it really won’t be my problem either.

That carrot you've been so "cleverly" dangling in front of everyone for months? Do me a favor and stick that thing somewhere, m'kay?

You say it’s my problem. That’s fair. I won’t argue that. But here’s the deal—when people shrug off responsibility and refuse to acknowledge problems around them, those problems tend to grow. And when they grow big enough, they don’t stay confined to just one person. So when the consequences of this situation come knocking, don’t be shocked when I remind you of this conversation.

PLEASE remind me of this later.

Please.

I will have a mighty laugh... and tell you that it wasn't my damn problem and if you actually cared so much then YOU shoulda did something!

Oh, don’t worry—I absolutely will remind you. You can count on that. And when that day comes, when things don’t go as smoothly as you assumed, when this thing you so confidently brushed off circles back around in ways you didn’t expect, I won’t even need to say much. Because by then, reality will have done all the talking for me.

You act like this is some kind of joke, like you’re sitting on some throne of absolute certainty, untouchable, above it all, like nothing in this situation could possibly concern you. That’s fine. You’re entitled to believe that. But history has a way of humbling people who think they’re untouchable. People love to laugh at problems they think don’t belong to them—until they wake up one day and realize those problems have grown too big to ignore, and suddenly, they’re at the center of it. Then the laughter stops real quick.

And don’t get it twisted—I never asked you to fix this for me. I never begged for your help, never threw responsibility on your shoulders, never tried to make you my personal problem-solver. That’s your own made-up narrative because it’s easier to dismiss something as not my job than to admit you just don’t care. That’s the real issue here. You don’t want to care, and instead of just owning up to that, you’re dressing it up as some moral stance about personal responsibility.

Fine. Own that. Say “I don’t care” and move on. But don’t act like I ever needed you to take action. I took action the second I recognized the problem. I’m not sitting around waiting for anyone to do something—I already am. The only difference is, when I tried to point it out to you, you got defensive because deep down, you know that pretending something doesn’t matter won’t make it go away.

You think you’ll get to laugh later, that you’ll get to stand there with some smug grin and tell me “See? Not my problem!” But let me ask you this—what exactly is so funny? That someone actually took something seriously? That someone had the foresight to care about something beyond themselves? That someone wasn’t so caught up in their own bubble that they ignored the bigger picture?

Laugh all you want, but I hope you’re ready to keep that same energy if things don’t go the way you expect. Because here’s the thing: if I’m wrong, if this truly never touches you, then congratulations, you’ll have earned the right to say “I told you so.” But if I’m right? If this situation spirals into something unavoidable? If it turns out this was never just my problem but one you just refused to acknowledge?

Then the only joke will be on you. And I won’t even have to say “I told you so”—because you’ll already know.

Oh, make no mistake... WE CARE.

We care a lot and will continue to care a lot.

We just don't think YOU do and it's constructive to keep humoring all the nonsense.

Furthermore, we don't trust you to ever try and do anything...

So... you see problems? DO SOMETHING.

But leave us out of it, m'kay?

(oh no, now you'll win the month and it'll be "our fault" and stuff. Because... you really mighta let us win and stuff and that woulda solved everything... or whatever.)

Now Mount Warrio might win a month and that would... solve something?

It's all just so stupid and we're sick of hearing this crap, dude.

Do you really not see how freaking condescending that all is? And... dishonest. It's just so much freaking disrespect. It's tiresome. And we've grown VERY tired of it.

Let's say you did let us win this month? You know what you coulda said? "Good job."

No one needs to hear all you constantly talk about how you "might let us win" and how grateful we need to be that it could possibly someday happen if we're just really, really good boys and do everything right.

If that's how this entire month is going to go then do us a favor and take us out.

FFS, no one here is going to spend the entire rest of the month just praying you're so kind while you incessantly prattle on about how awesome you are for letting us win.

It's just stupid.

Oh, so now you care? That’s funny, because everything you’ve said up to this point screamed the opposite. You don’t get to claim you “care a lot” while also saying you’re sick of hearing about something, want nothing to do with it, and that it’s all “stupid.” Those things don’t go together.

And let’s be real—you don’t trust me to do anything? That’s rich coming from someone whose entire response boils down to, “We care, but we’re too busy complaining about how much we don’t care to actually do anything.” If you really cared, you wouldn’t be spending all this energy trying to dodge responsibility and play the victim because someone dared to bring up an issue.

As for all this nonsense about “letting you win”—that’s on you. If your entire self-worth is tied up in whether or not someone acknowledges your victory, then maybe that’s something you need to work on. Because I don’t owe you a gold star or a pat on the back for simply existing. If you want respect, earn it. If you want a fair shot, take it. If you want to be left out of it, then stop jumping in just to whine about how unfair it all is.

You don’t want to hear about this? Fine. You don’t want to be involved? Cool. But don’t sit there pretending this is about me when it’s obvious the only thing you actually care about is being able to dismiss something without being called out on it.

So do yourself a favor and make up your mind—either you care, or you don’t. Either you’re part of the solution, or you’re just another person standing on the sidelines throwing sarcasm and excuses at anyone trying to do something. But don’t expect me to take you seriously when you can’t even decide what you stand for.

So... Nos, you ever gonna stop doing the solo thing?

No.

Guess I should also set the record straight on what I mean by "Play for myself".

I'm not going to put the needs of a clan above my own. If I am in a clan, I'm there for my own gain (and if it helps the clan as a result, then good for the clan).

I'm not going to place the clan I am in above other clans, nor would I purposely sabotage a clan (either directly by having a bot in I pull, or indirectly by attacking members to keep them from playing).

Furthermore I don't place an entire clan collectively as "the enemy". Example if I am in Apex, Lusitania is all of a sudden the enemy and I cease all speaking to them as such. That shit seems petty and absurd to me. I don't blame entire clans for their leadership either, anymore than I blame an entire clan for specific members. (This won't stop me from making jokes though, mind you).

I have no desire, nor ambition, to lead a clan to glory. I refuse to push others to do things I know I won't do myself. If you want to play, then play, if you want to chat on the forums, do so. I care not. If we win or lose, I care not. I'm here for the game itself. It gives me something to do passively why sitting at work.

If you have a competitive nature, and want competition, then make one. Don't pretend to want competition then when one is given it to you, do anything you can to completely obliterate that competition from existing. There's no need to have a hero and a villain.

lol

Zach? Give up the keeping Apex alive thing?

Even though you are clearly being sarcastic and it's a bit pointless responding I will anyway.

No, unless it dies by human error I would never do that even if it will likely never be a top clan again. I have too much good memories from Apex and kind of like a favourite bot you have or whatever it's by far my favourite clan I have been in bots4 and I have been in a few, regardless of the wins etc we had a great group we all got along and there was never any fall outs or anything like that, even though we don't play any more we still all socialise about life and play other stuff, so I see them as real friends.

What I don't mind doing is giving you advice on how to be succesful if you want to bmail me with questions or anything I will take the time to help you, the first problem I see is you dont really have anything to offer at the moment as a clan which in turn affects recruitment etc established players like to be in the clan with the best RWs/stars etc which are probably the most helpful part of the game. IMO you should put down the thought of trying to win a month, focus up and try build up these two things while trying to recruit players, just bmail everyone even players already in a clan the main thing here is be nice and friendly and don't come across pushy.

Then when you do have a team you think capable of winning and resources to match, you need to stick it out for more than 4 days or a month even try to stay off the forum and focus on the goal of winning for a few months I would imagine if you can score close to 15 mil 3 months in a row you would win atleast one in the current climate. Getting emotional after 4 days like Zal telling everyone to fuck themselves I quit, going in discords being rude etc wont make people want to help you and instead make them want to beat you.

Good luck!

"Knowledge bomb dropped"

I know exactly who you are, Nos.

Give me a little credit. I didn't pull your name out of a hat...

Wanted to bake a cake with you. Was looking for the right ingredients.

Basically, remember Rapture? You might... no one else does. Remember Dougie? Really old times... but coming into bots2 I became fast friends with Dougie (of course, because he was basically playing the same character as myself). Despite Dougie constantly trying to team up with me, I knew that would be a dead end. Clan didn't need two of me! Instead, I chose fnix (who did, granted, end up taking after me a fair bit... but we complimented each other - chocolate and peanut butter).

The reason me and Jans really couldn't get along? It wasn't because he was "the enemy" - me and Asian got along great (even after I blew up his clan twice). It was because me and Jans were actually VERY similar.

I did my homework. You checked all the boxes.

And all those reasons you seem to be giving to suggest I was mistaken? Dude, those things are exactly why I wanted you so bad...

You'll never change my mind, man.

Having said all that, consent is important and no means no. I'm a grown up... I can respect that the feelings were one-sided. No worries.

All these long winded forum posts could result in more energy, but hey shrugs