miscellaneous

Hey all,

Some past actions tied to my account have recently come to light, and although I don’t remember the specifics entirely, I take full responsibility for anything that may have gone wrong.

If you were affected by trades or transactions involving me that didn’t go as promised, please reach out via bmail. I want to make it right, whether it’s reimbursement or resolution, because restoring credibility matters more than anything.

Mistakes shouldn’t define someone forever. I’ve owned up to using an auto clicker recently and am rebuilding transparently. Same goes for previous issues, I won’t deflect or dodge them. Let’s talk, set things straight, and move forward.

Cheers,
Osh

I 100% expect this thread to either be locked or not go the way you want it Osh.

Although I'm sure Aldin will be asking for reimbursement. Although he might be happy enough that you got your bots banned.

Can't believe he said it was a mistake let's move forward.

Are you ok ?

They also said they wanted to make things right.

I don't have a dog here, but if someone is legit trying to make things right and be better... I think we should all support that. Don't trust them? Fair. But who benefits from actively discouraging someone that might actually be trying to do right?

It's kinda like the "justice system" - rehabilitation is ideal. If they're gonna be reintegrated into society then we're all better off with them being a decent citizen given an opportunity than for society to not give them any chance at all...

Just... you know... be careful and stuff.

Well here's the thing, Osh isn't going to get much in the way of sympathy for three main reasons:

1) He cheated, very obviously, for a week or two knowing that hey, that's a bannable offense and that it has consequences. He should've just not cheated at all. It's not that hard. It was a giant waste of resources.

2) A few people have very specific cases of stolen/scammed bots that point to Osh. Even if he does get around to paying off those people somehow, they may or may not believe him and I'm not 100% sure why he should pay them. The bots are banned now, all it does is lose money for Osh for the hope of gaining sympathy from a few specific people of which they likely won't give him any. There's no real gain for Osh in doing this.

3) Going forward nobody will likely believe he's not cheating again. But it's possible he won't. Just saying people would be skeptical of a guy who had lots of resources, autoclicked for no reason, destroyed them all, then is now sorry and won't do it again. 0_~ would be most people's reactions to that.

I'm not looking for sympathy, I have 0 care on what people think about me, I'm simply setting things straight.

I got caught, admitted it and moved on, if the game were looked into thoroughly, I'm sure I'm not the only one. I'll openly admit to using it.

Well if that's the case enjoy losing money then ;)

Well if that's the case enjoy losing money then ;)

You say a lot of things I find ridiculous Zal, but this might be the best. Can tell you for a fact me, ot and Troy didn’t enjoy losing money when he stole it, he will gain not much paying it back apart from you know, doing the right thing? It would definitely help his terrible reputation a little if nothing else. I’m sure if someone stole your phone then had a guilty conscience and brought it back you wouldn’t say “you have no reason to do this, enjoy losing money”.

If you are serious about making things right Osh I can contact Erik and Troy and let them know you want to apologise and pay them back.

I don't think it's a loss.

Right is right. I don't think you should only do things that are self-serving and self-beneficial. Heck, even if you're into Randian concepts of selfishness being some kinda virtue and altruism being some kinda immorality then even Ayn Rand woulda told you that things like acts of generosity can be voluntarily performed when it aligns with your value system and that such "selfless" acts are still often more valuable to people in a society, whether it be due to benefitting how we might fit in that society or the benefit gained from how it makes us feel about ourselves (increased self-worth), than the acts that on face-value would seem to be "selfish."

You hit someone else's car then you at least leave a note, you don't just drive off and be glad no one seemed to see you do it - and not because of the fear of getting caught doing wrong... but because it's not worth it feeling like a scumbag for the rest of your life. Simple.

If they think they owe others for their past behavior then I think we should actively encourage them to make those past transgressions right. That's it. Do they mean it? Who knows? But I'm absolutely not gonna sit here and tell them there isn't even any point.in trying...

But at end of day, I don't have a dog here. So... hope everyone else figures their crap out, I guess... and maybe we can even have a player that adds to the overall gaming experience of the community instead of subtracts from it. Maybe not... but they're here so might as well at least try and let 'em have a 'fresh start" (which isn't to say anyone needs to forget the past... only to say we try to figure out the best way to move forward from it).

I'll be honest, I don’t remember everything that happened. It may have been five or more years ago, and a lot has changed since then. I know my reputation isn’t exactly polished, but I’m not here to defend that or sway anyone’s opinion. I just play the game because I genuinely enjoy it, and it helps pass the time.

At one point, I did build a script for my own entertainment. Looking back, it clearly wasn’t a wise decision. I didn’t mean any harm, and I certainly wasn’t trying to cheat the system long-term. Still, I acknowledge that it was wrong.

I don’t feel guilt over something I barely remember, but I do feel responsible enough to want to make things right now. If there’s anyone affected, I’d appreciate it if they could reach out to me directly. I’m open to resolving things the proper way.

Ultimately, I don’t think a week-long mistake with a poorly made script should have led to such a big reaction. But I get it, I broke the rules, I was caught, and I owned up to it. That’s why I’ve left the scripts behind and returned to playing like I used to, with no shortcuts.

As for "losing money" I don't regret spending money on here. If ender decides to go with the full ban, Ill accept it and find other things to do with my time.

I’m sure if someone stole your phone then had a guilty conscience and brought it back you wouldn’t say “you have no reason to do this, enjoy losing money”.

That's a bad analogy because if we're talking about an equivalent trade, that stolen phone would've been used to rule-breaking/crime, then smashed to oblivion, then given back to you. There's nothing ridiculous about what I said except that you morons let him scam you and you all look stupid for it. He then used your scammed bots to cheat and got banned. The bots are gone regardless of what money he offers you in return. There is no trade value here other than saving a bad reputation.

What are you even talking about, he scammed us out of cash which would be rule breaking/criminal in the first place regardless what it's used for. The buyer has also has to trust the seller to some extent on bots, it's common practice that the buyer sends money first in transactions so it's not the victims fault that some scumbag decided to selfishly steal from them.

You are basically convincing a scammer not to pay his victims back because it won't benefit the scammer lol, you're just as scummy as he is.

At the end of the day, I could of walked away from this rather than facing it. There isn't any need for any drama. It's a simple path...

Osh, good on you for trying to right your wrongs. Hopefully you can atleast earn some trust back from the people you had wronged before. My advice— if you’re going to be purchasing bots to get back into the swing of things (if Ender okays you coming back fresh), I recommend making sure whatever you buy, you’re going to use. I can imagine if you were to try and sell anything again in the future, it would be much harder for you.

Or you could have just not done it in the first place? I think what Zal is trying to say (but badly and without knowing any facts about the scams) is that if you pay people back nothing will change in terms of how people trust or treat you, which is pretty obvious anyway and doesn't need to be said.

You should still try to right your wrongs regardless of whether there is any benefit, it's the opposite mindset of the one that got you in this situation.

People can trust or not trust, that part of it is completely my fault.

All I'm trying to do here is right the wrongs (which I don't 100% remember) This was quite a long time ago, Like I mentioned, I could of walked away, but I'm not.

This isn't some sort of way to stay in the game mind you, this is me admitting my faults and fixing them.

You're right, there is no need for drama since Zach is too stupid to argue with -_-

He got away with scamming you for 5+ years, the things you sold him are gone, it's just a bunch of digital garbage. Go talk to the damn cops and charge him then, oh wait, like they're going to give a shit about some 1s and 0s on a digital game you DIDN'T EVEN HAVE TO BUY OR SELL FOR REAL MONEY TO BEGIN WITH.

Just say they're gone and move on is what I'm saying. If you want your scammer to pay you back then go ahead and get your money. I'm saying you're all morons to begin with and him giving you money won't change a god damn thing at this point. This is your idiots stupid situation and at the end of the day you all scammed each other/yourselves.

Zal you've had a lot of warnings recently, people are passionate about this subject which is fair and I don't think we should moderate it too heavily but there's no reason to start the insults. Just keep it on topic and focus on your point.

Zal I'm not sure what the problem is, but atleast know the facts of something before you comment about it. We were trying to buy stars off him not sell, I'm not sure about who else he has scammed or the details of that.

like they're going to give a shit about some 1s and 0s on a digital game you DIDN'T EVEN HAVE TO BUY OR SELL FOR REAL MONEY TO BEGIN WITH.

Right, but thats all your opinion what might be garbage to you might not be to someone else. Especially if people are willing to exchange money for it, how do you know the scammed bots werent bought before hand not to mention you must buy stars. We all didn't care for 4 years and accepted it was gone until he decided to pop his head in the forum lol ofcourse I'm going to pull him up. No need to call victims idiots etc for being scammed when it isn't their fault, that's pretty toxic even by your standards.

This is the first I'm hearing of 'scammed bots', I've not received any bots without paying for them.

Well you also scammed bots off me back in 2017 or something before Eternal got deleted because I trusted you to pay in 3 installments, but I don't care about them or expect anything back, the same as the cash for stars since I got that back anyway. Just feel sorry for the others.

If I'm correct, those were ratios? that whole transaction was messy. You give me a price, I paid it, then you asked for more. I don't fully remember the entire thing, but I know it were messy!

You are correct about them being ratios but we agreed a price and you only sent some of it at first claiming you would pay the rest later and then never did, again it's so long ago I don't care about them or want anything back off you but it's still scamming. I have done business on here with so many people and never had a problem so I definitely wouldn't forget if there was one. Whether your act of not remembering anything is genuine or not I'm not sure but this doesn't sound like an isolated incident and you should own up to the things you have done.

Think I have said all I there is to say on my part here anyway, I just hope you pay all the victims back atleast something or apologise and do the right thing.

Yeah, I definitely don't remember it going that way.

I appreciate the chat, All I want is to make things right. like mentioned, I could of walked away from all of this. but I'd rather face it.

Gosh darnit Mal, stop posting replies that make sense & I agree with please. Its just not the natural order of things!

As for the op. He did bad, takes responsibility for some of it & is a bit vague on the rest. Good for him. How each player responds or feels about that is entirely down to the individual. Forgive or don't forgive, the choice is yours.

However Zal, wiggin has made the decision that osh can continue playing & that is his prerogative being the creator. If you have issues with that I'd address wiggin privately not osh.

Hey all, this will be my last post. Thanks for everything and to the ones who respected me regardless of my wrong doing, I appreciate you.

To those who i've done wrong, oredump@outlook.com Please send me an email I'll be happy to fix the wrong doings.

-Osh

I've made an official announcement post addressing the Osh situation (and more): An update on game integrity and policy on cheating. If you have thoughts or comments you'd like to share, please do so there.

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