suggestions

Hello, I would like you to introduce more dex weapons due to the fact that strength bots have a new weapon every couple of levels and dex bots don't stand a chance against any other type of bot at their level.

Thanks

In bots2, Dex was beast, this was changed for bots4, so that Str is beast. While I agree that the current armoury is lacking, we just need to suck it up.

Dex was beast at certain levels in bots2 and bots4. Just like balanced bots are way stronger in bots4. It just depends.

wat.

how is this game right now any different than bots2 than besides the obvious facial improvements and server size/stability/security? Oh and an active game administrator.

The code is not exactly the same, you should know that. FloR could of put in 'fixes' to make dex bots better and such. There are obvious things that make bots4 different than bots2. Str bots hit more often etc.

It is all the same

Hardly.

Please, in detail, explain it to me.

That game might seem the same to the normal eye. It is different.
Strength bots miss more often. Dex bots don't block as often as they should block. The code is different because Ender made bots4. He did not copy the code from floR. He could have the battle formulas set up in a different order than floR.

Bots2 was made in 2002, it could of had tons of pages in it that dealt with different things that came up. Remember the thing of "Strength bots hit all the time!" threads? Right. floR most likely put in a fix, which Ender has not done.

So basically all you have is speculation not real numbers.

You have speculation also, You can't possibly know that the game is the same without numbers no?

If I'm wrong, so are you.

I'm basing my assumption on that Ender would have no reason to make such dramatic changes to the game and has already stated publicly on forums that he is VERY hesitant to do so and will test changes extensively before introducing them to the game.

This is something that would be well talked about in forums and yet you do not see it. Yes it is possible there was some obscure hotfix or whatnot that floR put into the bots2 but if you keep going with that conspiracy thinking we might as well all put on tinfoil hats to keep the government from reading our thoughts.

Welcome to the League of Mad Fellows gentleman!

There is a problem with wanting to make good suggestions, spam. There is no reason to make suggestions, at all.

To Ender, certain things might seem right, but when the masses test things, bugs come up.

You call what I am typing spam? I am calling you out and telling you to show me some numbers. You have shown me nothing, you say there are these mysterious and overwhelming numbers that are in your favor. Well, show them to me.

Did I say you were spamming. No. Read bud.

I have 70% block on this bot. When I train, at most I get 56% block while using aqua's stats add-on.

There are a ton of threads saying strength bots hit more often than dex bots. Is that not good enough?

"There is a problem with wanting to make good suggestions, spam. There is no reason to make suggestions, at all."

One can only assume that was directed at me. So, yes, I did read what you typed.

Also, I am half-way convinced now that you have actually given me something that isn't gibberish. I'm curious to see if others will chime in with numbers of if ender has noticed anything.

There is a problem with wanting to make good suggestions, spam.

it means your being a douche in short. you haven't showed any numbers either? and im pretty sure Ender has said he wrote it all again.

p.s. i dont really care. at all.

You know why you don't care? You spam.
Why would you post if you don't care? You spam.

Btw, You spam.

hmm...

TL;DR Internet fight broke out, everything will move on. BOTS4 =/= BOTS2

~FinalWorld

Spam =) Go fuck yourself buddie, i was taking your side lol

I don't know about how bots2 might be different to bots4, but yes extra dex weapons would be nice. Pure dex especially.

Draoi, I don't know if you played bots2 for sure, but if you did, and you had a Dex bot, then came here to bots4, and made a Dex bot, you would see that they act quite differently. The same goes for Str and balance bots.

I made a pure dex bot when it was popular to do so. Guess what, they still sucked.

You didn't do it right.

I had a level 110 dex bot. It did pretty good. Lots of simming for where i should put my points etc.

110 range was conned answerers or a sapphire balde domination range iirc. Even when dex became popular.

I said it did pretty good. Not tourny winner. It didn't cs to bad either.

Sapphires are like level 100-106.
Answerers are 80-107. Other than that, answerers get sucked up by plasmas.

I'm still not truly convinced you guys just aren't waking up to fighting real bots and realizing that dex is really not that good until you can get a decent amount of absorb to be able to take a few hits.

It never was good and it won't be good in the near future.

i have noticed i dont block nearly as much as i would have in bots2 with my current dex and shield

You need to post some numbers instead of just making general observations. Emmaneul might have made a script for blocks/misses, I dunno, but I'm sure he tested this at some point.

Good example of the bandwagon effect I think.

using his statistics script its shows that my train block rate is 37.830% while my block is 58.81%

That may be because you are not factoring in misses. If your opponent misses, the block chance doesn't come into play.

So if your opponent has a 50% chance to hit you before counting block, you will block 29% of ALL attempts against you (including misses).

Appearently there's an error in my script. bluei explained the problem in his last post.

You can only successfully block if your opponent doesn't miss, so if your opponent misses a lot the script will say you rarely block. I'll fix this right away.

i understand what your saying bluei im just saying in my own opinion that to feel it feels like i do not block nearly as much as i did in bots2. hopefully someone can produce numbers

Well if you block roughly 38% of the time, and your actual block rate is 58%... That must mean your opponents average chance to miss is close to 40%.