suggestions

Would you be able to implement a downloadable client with the same / relatively close interface as http://www.bots4.net ?

 

You mean like an app?

 

This is the least intensive interface ever, why on earth would you need a stand alone client?

 

Yes like an application :P

A downloadable client so people can play it on their desktop :>

Have the ability to switch to fullscreen etc ;o

 

I'm not saying that's a bad idea but this is a textbased game so it has to be in a browser, at least in my opinion, and making an app for it would prolly take a lot of time as well

 

Being a text based game doesn't mean it has to be a browser game xD

A application would be way more interactive ^_^

• Ability to add advanced anti-botting scripts.
• Ability to have a more interactive gaming interface.
• Way more possibility's. (2D-3D, Audio etc)

 

can't disagree on that, but still it will take some time for a standalone client to be created, just putting it there :D

 

Well I have yet to talk to the owner / programmer of bots4, but I'm a Java Programmer with 8+ years of experience ^_^ (Which is probably the only reason I'm making this post =D)

I was wondering "Why is there no standalone client xD, this game's awesome.".

I just made a 'Mock up Bots 4 standalone client' (Simple text based combat system with a console and multiple tabs) which took about 2-3 days which includes:

• A whole bunch of fan inspiration :D
• Battle system. (health, attack, strength, defence, attack styles)
• Battle system console. (Colored output also)
• Different weapons. (diff damage, weapon delays also)
• Shop / Stat upgrade interface. (Buying items not implemented)
• Training interface. (Multiple train mates)

I wouldn't mind sharing it here as long as it didn't offend the owner / programmer xD.

Pictures:

(Trainmate selection) http://oi40.tinypic.com/2dhu4wo.jpg

(Battle has begun) http://oi44.tinypic.com/2ywguwx.jpg

(Battle has finished) http://oi40.tinypic.com/2n1z8rb.jpg

(Shop interface) http://oi39.tinypic.com/2vtd2q1.jpg

Hope I didn't offend anyone by going on this programming spree xD

 

That looks awesome xD it seems you just made the possibility higher :D what program did you use?

 

It's a program I made mate xD

Programmed it with the programming language 'Java'. You can code Java in notepad bro xD http://www.java.com

What I use to write my java code: http://www.eclipse.org

 

@ "That looks awesome xD"

Thanks =D

 

It would be cool if there was a standalone client for this game that let the user play on multiple bots at the same time

 

I wish I can understand that but that program you made would put the bots community in different level xD and by that, better :D

 

@ BigKat

Yeah ^_^, that would be cool =D

But I think when most game publishers make a client for their game, they try to disable that kind of thing haha.

 

@ JayKurusakiXxX

Thanks mate =D

All I do is program xD, I'd love to be able to contribute to bots 4 community if possible.

The pictures are of a mock up demo xD, very raw demo.

If I were to ever contribute something to the bots 4 community relating to programming: it would have to be 10/10 sexy xD

The mock up is like a 4/10 sexy IMO :3

 

Real nice stuff, keep it coming.

 

:D okay then, just good luck then, all I can do at least, make your 10/10 real xD I'm pretty sure everyone in the bots community would support you if it was accepted as a project so good luck :D

 

@ Nille

Thanks mate, I'd love to make something for bots ^_^

 

@ JayKurusakiXxX

Wow ok, I'll re-write the application and involve some sexy graphics ^_^

I was expecting to get shutdown or criticized by posting this TBH. (Maybe I haven't because they haven't arrived yet XD)

 

Umm. Why are you making a completely new game?

Different weapons, different trainers. In the showroom, you are "buying str/attack" ?

Why bother coding a completely new game?

 

:D

 

So wish I could edit my post on the forums xD

EDIT @ POST ABOVE:

I'll wait for a reply from the owner/programmer before making anything else haha.

 

@ New Alan

What do you mean mate? :o

I mean re-writing the GUI, my bad :P not re-writing the whole source code haha.

 

This is what I mean by re-writing the GUI lol.

http://oi41.tinypic.com/2poqgyh.jpg

Compared to:

http://oi39.tinypic.com/2vtd2q1.jpg

Different 'Look and feel' etc.

Anyhow ^_^, thanks for all the feedback guys :D

 

It's a totally different game.

 

I made this due to inspiration I got from playing bots 4 after not playing it for a few years lol.

And I'm pretty sure I couldn't just name my game "Bots 4" without someone breathing down my neck about copyrighted code / fair use notices lols.

This is a fan based game, if I got permission from the programmer / owner of bots 4 I'd have no problem going ALL OUT lol.

(Taking ideas straight out of http://www.bots4.net, images etc)

Example: http://bots4.net/images/showroom.gif

^ Using that in my client without permission would most likely result in me being Private messaged with a 'dmca' or 'fair use notice :P'

 

as stated in a prevoius topic. i started making something and then talking to the owner of bots4 about the project and he said no for the mean time. just throwing that out there he wants nothing of the kind for the moment.

 

Damn that sucks ;o

If not I could always make this into my own game as I was doing :P

Formula I'd have no problem re-writing :D

 

Why not make a client that connects to the actual game?

A single player, stand alone version of Bots is about the most boring thing i can imagine :)

 

@ Jans

Yeah it would connect directly to the bots4 database. (Presuming he's using MySQL I'd be able to program the connection for MySQL fetch calls etc ^_^)

It would be like playing bots4 but in a window you can download :P

(Literally everything would be the same and functional :D)

I'd program it to the owners expectations ^_^

Skype / team viewer and spam him with questions about how he wants things done >:)

 

No offense man, as I can see you have put a lot of effort into this, but it's one of the worst suggestions ever. I don't even feel the need to justify why

 

Haha, I program very fast mate ;) that was nothing XD.

I program hardcore stuff for fun xD (Password bruteforcers, encryption/decryption algorithms)

And why would it be a bad idea to have a downloadable client?

It's not like bots4 is stuck to being a web browser game lol, if anything making a downloadable client opens up possibility's :>

 

You are very good at saying wishy-washy statements like "Way more possibility's. (2D-3D, Audio etc)" but you aren't actually giving a single reason to have a client. So, give me a single benefit :P (without changing the game). Web browsers can do 2D, 3D AND Audio, by the way.

I appreciate your screenshots are proof of concept, but they are a long, long, LONG way from being preferable to the UI we use at the minute. Sure bots4 is a simple UI, but it does it well and looks good. Yours look like something I made in an "Introduction to Software Development" class.

Also, Ender will never give a third party access to his databases lol.

 

So, give me a single benefit :P

Having a client IMO is a thing almost all games should have online and that's why I brought it up :)

Benefits off the top of my head:

• Applications in their usual setup include: active rendering, audio and GUI components. (Having this for any game as a optionable download is a entertainment++)
• Compared to http://www.bots4.net, a application / client would be way more rich in graphics / user interaction.
• Endless possibility's for anti-botting scripts + "Captcha for Java".

I appreciate your screenshots are proof of concept, but they are a long, long, LONG way from being preferable to the UI we use at the minute.

You should of seen the first version of it I made a few days ago haha, this is a GUI literally slammed together in a day that has the components necessary to perform the basic game functions ^_^ (No GUI Builder)

Sure bots4 is a simple UI, but it does it well and looks good.

Amen =D if the owner doesn't mind me trying to make a "Bots Clone" (Fan based means using their formulas which are already public / their graphics etc) I'd love to make it and publish it here.

Yours look like something I made in an "Introduction to Software Development" class.

That's raw swing components for you :P Having game graphics / GUI graphics is a must ^_^

Also, Ender will never give a third party access to his databases lol.

I knew it was only a matter of time before someone posted a message relating to that xD

I Keep hearing 'Ender' he seems like the guy I should talk to ^_^

I've only had access to code on different peoples minecraft servers :D

On a successful game like bots I could understand that :P

I could just write the code and he could than 'plug in' (Configure on his side) the database details or something secure with no backdoor lol.

Note:

If I were able to make a clone (Not a standalone client for bots) I'd prefer using pure java ^_^ (Server and Client made in Java)

Server would be a VPS running a server programmed in Java, storage is done server sided. (Never made a pure web game)

 

I'm sorry but a client for a game this simplistic is pointless. You talk about audio, graphics, etc when this game doesn't use any of those. Apart from very miniscule graphics if you call static images that.

Any types of benefits a client supposedly brings to a game, aren't really benefits if they don't get used. I don't see any of the things you mentioned getting used for this game in the future either.

 

Sound / Audio = Application

IMO that's why I brought them up ^_^

Still suggesting a downloadable client aside from what I said 'would be nice' in a standalone client, basically wrapping http://www.bots4.net and all of the 'game play' into a downloadable client that's user friendly.

 

Wall of text again, not a single benefit, again.

Applications in their usual setup include: active rendering, audio and GUI components.

None of which bots4 uses.

Compared to http://www.bots4.net, a application / client would be way more rich in graphics / user interaction.

Bots4 isn't a game that needs rich graphics or complex user interaction.

Endless possibility's for anti-botting scripts + "Captcha for Java".

A downloadable client for the game means I could make a downloadable botting client.

I've only had access to code on different peoples minecraft servers :D

This is remarkably different, you still have a lot to learn.

I Keep hearing 'Ender' he seems like the guy I should talk to ^_^

He will shut you down, almost immediately. He won't let you touch his databases, or even let your client be "official".

Still suggesting a downloadable client aside from what I said 'would be nice' in a standalone client, basically wrapping http://www.bots4.net and all of the 'game play' into a downloadable client that's user friendly

Yes, you COULD. But WHY? There is literally no benefit, other than a whole host of security issues. It would have no additional functionality, wouldn't be any faster and no offence, but would have a less-friendly UI

TL;DR: I don't think you want to/should make a client for bots4, I think you should make your own game. That's clearly what you're steering towards. This game won't see any benefits from an offline client. Just because you know Java doesn't mean bots4 needs a java client.

In fact, I'm going to go out on a limb and guess you are an ex-runescape player that had something to do with the botting world to teach yourself Java. Meaning you'll want to bot bots4 too eventually :p

 

guess you are an ex-runescape player

Yeah that game kicked ass until jagex ruined it :)

that had something to do with the botting world

Yeah who didn't bot on RuneScape ^_^

I use to farm gold and sell it for IRL cash like the 2/3 of other RS players :D (I'm 19 BTW)

that had something to do with the botting world to teach yourself Java.

Eh I started Java by programming RuneScape Private Servers actually :P

Wonderful guess, I actually hosted my own RSPS online for a few years (alot of players and code) and made money while being under 18 until Jagex sent me a DMCA (Had to take the webclient down) :/

Meaning you'll want to bot bots4 too eventually :p

Samulii thought I'd love to bot since I'm a programmer but no haha, not on http://www.bots4.net, I come here to actually keep me busy / mildly entertain me while waiting for downloads / bored etc.

Botting a bot? What is this sorcery!? no

Have you guys had trouble with botters? LOL most of the people I've talked to since I've been back have brought it up ^_^

 

Maybe you don't have to write a client in Java?

Runescape couldn't defend against botters thus the game died

If the owner doesn't like the idea of having a Java client (understood) he should still play with the idea some more about having a downloadable client.

 

Have you guys had trouble with botters? LOL most of the people I've talked to since I've been back have brought it up ^_^

All the scepticism is thanks to the croats in the bots2 era, and Alan, our resident web programmer + ex-botter.

I don't think the problem is with Java itself, pretty much anything can be botted to an extent, regardless of what the owner of the game does. (Heck, just look at WoW). I just don't see an actual reason to make a client that can't do anything extra, except take time away from useful game developments.

 

The idea is a good one, a proper app (android/ios/windows) or a desktop client would be good if Ender wanted to commercialise though I imagine the traffic would get ridiculous if it was released through a phone marketplace once it took off.

The infrastructure is already there for a freemium game like all of the popular ones and I imagine if it went well it would be a ludicrous money maker.

 

I don't know a lot about Java, but I do have 2 things..

1. Props to you for taking the time to give the interface a new look. I think we should applaud you for your work, it looks neat. Glad you've taken an interest to the game.

2. Exactly what's your motive behind doing it though? The game looks great as is, and there will never be audio in bots :P

 

Exactly what's your motive behind doing it though?

I've been programming for years, right now due to my left lung recently collapsing I've been staying home alot and working online for people ^_^, various MineCraft server's I've made money with by creating and contributing custom requested plugins.

My main motivation for this would be contributing to a awesome game :), I make things for people all the time haha (Custom game launchers, updaters etc) when I'm not surfing in my own projects.

My outlook with programming is it's an endless frontier :)

The game looks great as is

That's a great attribute about this game, simple and fun. <3

and there will never be audio in bots :P

Figures :) it's a text based combat game, I was just saying that "Applications" in general included audio / graphics / extra content when relating to a gaming client.

 

The idea is a good one, a proper app (android/ios/windows) or a desktop client would be good if Ender wanted to commercialise though I imagine the traffic would get ridiculous if it was released through a phone marketplace once it took off.

I was pming someone about that earlier from my clan XD, he said he hopes there's a mobile version :3

 

I don't see why you've spend so much time coding the WRONG game.

Ed will not give you access to the game. What you need to do is this;

Make the website available in the java application. THEN, change the "view" of the site, making it look like a client. You don't have to ask for Ed's code or anything. Much easier/faster.

You talk about coding so fast, then, having access to minecraft, THEN, password bruteforcers. Ed, will not let you.

 

I don't see why you've spend so much time coding the WRONG game.

LOL mate, evidently you haven't overlook each post enough ^_^ I made 'Combat Trials 2D' / am working on as a game of my own. I could literally (with 2 redbulls) re-write that whole program in under 1 hour <3.

I posted it as a 'mock up' of bots ^_^ simple combat system with a console etc

Ed will not give you access to the game.

I never asked nor insinuated I'd need to 'access the game' lols. I said if anything he would be the one plugging in the details. -securely-

Make the website available in the java application. THEN, change the "view" of the site, making it look like a client. You don't have to ask for Ed's code or anything. Much easier/faster.

Java web browser no thanks lol, I thought about that idea and to me that's "Not a standalone client". (It's a iframe basically xD)

You talk about coding so fast, then, having access to minecraft, THEN, password bruteforcers. Ed, will not let you.

Lols, me posting my experience is bad?

You can find all my 'published' work on http://www.java-gaming.org (Brute forcer included)

I brought that up only to express my experience with algorithms & formulas etc..

 

I never asked nor insinuated I'd need to 'access the game' lols.

Then what exactly is it you're "suggesting"? If you want to make something and don't need anything to do so, then just do it.

 

Then what exactly is it you're "suggesting"?

Forum > Suggestions > Downloadable client [Suggestion] >

If you want to make something and don't need anything to do so, then just do it.

Great words of inspiration, might make them my signature :3

 

Can you make bots2 again? I loved that game :) Best of both worlds!

Btw I haven't read through everything so sorry if I annoy anyone.

 

Java web browser no thanks lol, I thought about that idea and to me that's "Not a standalone client". (It's a iframe basically xD)

But the game's PHP and JS contains all the logic... Why (try) duplicate that with your own client? That makes no sense and having two completely different repositories of code is highly undesirable. Which is a theoretical discussion, as you will never get access to the game's database.

 

Believe me lol, there's probably tons of easier ways to wrap http://ww.bots4.net in a client VS. java mysql fetch calls :P.

More simpler like a heavily modded html parser or something :P

Hopefully this post prevents the next 500 "You wont get to touch the database" kthnx...

 

Ok, so then your client will be a wrapper for the actual game. Good, we're getting somewhere ;)

Good luck with that, curious to see the results. I won't be installing it i'm afraid, i hate JAVA with a passion.

 

Ok, so then your client will be a wrapper for the actual game. Good, we're getting somewhere ;)

I said a heavily modded html parser would do it lols, didn't say I was doing anything :P

Seems like you guys don't want a client for all operating systems / mobile devices + extra content.

Suits me. -back to furiously programming-

If the owner wants something done I'm pretty sure he'll pm me at this point ^_^

Thanks for the feedback guys ^_^

 

I'd love to see it made more popular with something like a mobile app but I doubt ed is going to do anything like that as this is in essence just like the original bots2 which is what was always intended.

I do think there are a lot of refinements ed has implemented that polish the interface off very nicely and it really is a complete game.

How difficult would it be to make an app that could communicate with the game so it was more or less fully playable? Fights, trains, workshop and showroom at a bare minimum?

 

Seems like you guys don't want a client for all operating systems / mobile devices + extra content.

Oh we do, and we have. It's called a browser. It's available on all operating systems and mobile devices.

In order to run JAVA-apps though, we would need to download and install 125mb of JAVA first. Because apps are "cross platform", but they can't run anywhere on their own.

Starting up JAVA is sluggish and annoying. Having to install frequent additional updates is annoying too. And then there are the persisting security issues.

All in all i don't see the need for it. Everything can be done in the browser as well, and i'm just not sure JAVA has to offer more.

 

we have an old, community. you know how old people are, they HATE change.

keep doing what you do.

 

In order to run JAVA-apps though, we would need to download and install 125mb of JAVA first.

It's 2013 LOL

Computers come with java installed now mate, woah.

 

I just read through the old threads about a mobile app. I imagine with the proper time and care it would be be awesome but until the time investment is is possible it doesn't look like this can happen :(

 

How difficult would it be to make an app that could communicate with the game so it was more or less fully playable? Fights, trains, workshop and showroom at a bare minimum?

Relatively easy using CSS media queries + phonegap, no point doing it with Java. (Well, except the minimal java used inside phonegap).

Computers come with java installed now mate, woah.

Lol. Only pre-built computers built by companies that want to pre-install Java. I'd bet quite a significant amount of users (like myself) built their own PC and it doesn't have java.

A properly built, accessible web application (like we have already) is, in my opinion, much better with all the new devices coming out that likely won't have java.

 

we have an old, community. you know how old people are, they HATE change. keep doing what you do.

Thanks mate ^_^

I'd bet quite a significant amount of users (like myself) built their own PC and it doesn't have java.

That's what I meant lol, most computers you "buy from media outlets" will already have java pre-installed, of course if you build a PC from scratch it wont hava java XD

 

Everything what Fishwick said.

Also, in regards to "we have an old, community. you know how old people are, they HATE change. keep doing what you do", that's not the case here. Client sided JAVA is an outdated technology that needs to die.

 

Client sided JAVA is an outdated technology that needs to die.

Please do tell more <3

 

A while back i thought it would be a good idea to have a Downloadable version of bots to boost the daily members and such but now i think its a ridiculous idea, Bots is easy enough to access via the web their is no reason to make a downloadable version.

 

Fair enough, maybe I just like the approach because I'm writing a text based combat game from the client up :)

 

and as i keep saying my project stopped because ender doesnt want one now so it will most likly be the same story for this one

 

Stop talking tech!

head explodes

 

Stop talking tech! head explodes

LMAO

Welcome to the dark side >:0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-Cr0EWwaTk

• Don't hate ;)

 

Java is FTW ^^ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13A0QkqtaQ

 

Guess some people dont get the grasp that the owner doesnt want anything like this at the moment. Either way runescape and minecraft is too simple. not hard for many people to run their own stuff for that. Ive ran wows, aions, ROs, and even have a Eve online Server ready to go up when ever my health gets back into shape and I can take the time to maintain the server.

A client based for the computer would be pointless for a text based game, like leader said is very easy to access already. App on the other hand for mobile devices is a good idea sense basically the world of electronics is moving away from hard drives to the cloud. So that basically in it self would make a client based useless as in a app would be better in line. BUT some people have already talked with Ender. Ender has different more important things to worry about with bots4 and probably real life considering he has a life and one hell of a job.

Anyways, Moo.

 

I've focused on browsers for games I build because I like the benefits of the platform. Browsers are very accessible in that they work on any remotely modern computer without any special software. It's very easy to code for and interface with; you get a lot of stuff for free. It's also where much of my programming skill lies. :)

tl;dr: Not going to happen, sorry.

 

I give GabrielBailey7414 a month and a half before he gets bored and is caught scripting.