People may seem they changed but that's not true. They can adapt to new situations but they don't change. Ville left Eternal and it wasn't the first time he left a clan. Leader, who was in Escapism since the beginning, surprisingly left the clan. After coming back he did the same again. Otto also left Escapism however it was different because he didnt break the connection to the clan and always had a bot in Escapism.
So, these three formed a new force in bots: Zion! I was pleased to see a third clan competing. Atreides can compete if they want but it isn't their main goal. So, Eternal, Escapism and Zion. Wonderful! There was great competitions between these clans. Zion won for 3 months in a row. Everything was going perfect. Then, Zion lost its breathe. It's normal... Eternal ruled for many months because they had Neps who played 9h everyday. Escapism dominated for 6 months in a row and then started to lose. It's normal... A clan can't win forever. It's hard to maintain the rythm of competition, scoring every month.
With that said, when problems started in Zion, Leader and Ville started saying that no one scores for the clan. Blah blah blah. Otto scored very hard in the start of the month. What Leader did? Joined Eternal with Ryback and scored for them. And Ville? Didn't start scoring. Last month there was a race between Zion and Escapism. Ville just started to score in the end of the month to secure his top10 plat when Zion already gave up of the win. This is what a leader of a clan should do? This is the example he should give? Of course no one scores for Zion, why should they? The leaders don't do that why should they put they effort in the clan? Where's the motivation to do it?
Ville and Leader left Zion today. I was disapointed. I thought they would fight for the clan they found. I admired their dedication, Ville's goal to be top10 everymonth, etc. Well, better for me that I'll keep getting my shiny top10 clan trophy!
So people don't change. Alan after getting caught the first time seemed to be different. Everyone thought he learnt the lesson and he seemed more mature. What happened? He was cheating. Once a cheater, always a cheater. Once a clan hoper, always a clan hoper. I'm sure Leader and Ville will leave Eternal, I just don't know if it will be in the next month or it will be in 5 years. But they will leave. People doesn't change.
Do you want to know what is loyalty? It's this. I respect that kind of persons who believe in their team. I confess I almost left Escapism when I decided to create Sangue Novo. However, I didn't leave. Why? I saw that Escapism still is what I believe a team should be. I got motivated again to play the game and I built a whole new dumper clan and this month I'm scoring. I'm in Escapism for 1 year and 203 days and I'm proud of that.
This is my personal view of the events, maybe I'm not right in some facts but it is how I see them. This is a reflexion I made after I loled in Zion's recruiting thread. I hope this clears my lol that was way shorter than this.
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Very classy post Esv, I've got to eat dinner now, I'll reply in a few.
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arse licking jans cuteness
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Anyone have a shoe i could borrow?
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Think he´d break his neck. But then he wouldn´t need to camp...
(I´m not saying Shoe is fat. Just American.)
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this is not the first time i read about it...same things happened in bots2 as i remember...
/fifty
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doubt this post exists if they decide to move forward with escapism.
-shoe
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I think leader and ville are loyal in their own way. Just somewhat impulsive maybe. Or easily bored. Doesn't make them bad, just not very dependable ^^
But credit where credit is due, they've had a good run for half a year, with 3 consecutive wins.
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I will give it my all each and every if that is all a clan can ask of me what am I doing wrong? nothing!
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Myriad rejected Ville and Leader won't be accepted in Escapism after having a second chance. So Shoe, it was impossible for they to move to any direction in Escapism.
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I guess I'm just sad that Zion finished. I liked their spirit. Now Eternal is stronger and probably will dominate the next months. We are here to compete against them as we can. So old days are back: Eternal vs Escapism, the two best scoring clans ever. Let's enjoy that :)
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Atriedis will 0wn all ur bases!!
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He says that as if I am arsed about join Escapism... Although I have huge respect for Myriad and Rene for everything they did for me (taught me a thing or hundred ;P)
I wouldn't ever even consider scoring for escapism I don't like a lot of people in that clan
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I wouldn't ever even consider scoring for escapism I don't like a lot of people in that clan
I think that people are perfectly fine with it.
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This entire notion that I am a clan hopper is far from true. You literally have no idea what you are talking about. I can't speak for Leader, but before you accuse me of anything make sure you have the facts to back things up.
I played bots2 for years. I did spend a bit of time in 12 Monkeys, but the other 4 years I played bots I was a member of 2 clans; Black and White, and Rapture. I stayed in Rapture until the end of the green server. I have always been loyal to my clans.
My first clan in bots4 was Dynasty with Alan. When Alan and the bulk of the clan got caught cheating I lost motivation and took a break from the game. I am the kind of player that lives off of the clan competition, if it was not for clans I would not play bots. I enjoy the social aspect of bots.
After Dynasty I joined a couple small clans later, then finally joined Eternal. The funny thing was I actually applied to Escapism but was declined because Myriad doubted my commitment to the game. What did that do? That motivated me to learn how to play bots.
I had no bots4 knowledge before I joined Eternal. Shoe, Rivan and Nos taught me how to play the game (fishwick helped too, ironically) They taught me about freaking, about making dumpers, maintaining them, I learned the ends and outs of the game. My motivation then turned into wanting Escapism to lose. We spent hours and hours doing everything we can to get Eternal back to the top. I was apart of that team. And we won 2 months in a row.
My guys from Eternal didn't want to go FTW moving forward after that. Everyone slowed down. I talked to shoe about it, and he was okay with me making my own clan. Leader, Otto, Barricade, CMPunk, xjay, Default User (Apex Predator) wanted to make a clan, so we made are our clan. We had a team that could compete, and as of that we won 3 months in a row.
What happened after that? Well the 1st big that that happened was I got a job that did not allow me to play bots like I used to. I started working in a warehouse 12 hour shifts 7 days a week. That being said I could not play bots at work anymore. As a result of me not being active a lot of our clan lost interest. We lost a lot of members during that time, so I tried recruiting Alan to rekindle the clan.
Alan seemed promising, loyal, he recruited, and I thought he was legit. It turns out, he was autoclicking, and giving auto clickers to my clan members. I lost 3 players to cheating. Literally all that was left of Zion after that was Otto, Olly, Aaron, and myself.
Think about that. How do I recruit when my clan has a reputation of cheating? I've also lost the majority of the members I had.
Barricade quit
xjay went inactive
BigCat went inactive
TryHard quit (as a result of Alan cheating)
Wannabe got locked for cheating then started scoring again on his Life bot in Escapism
CMPunk went inactive
Lutherin sold out
Alan got locked
Raider got locked
and Otto will be quitting bots soon. So all that is left is Myself, Leader, and aaron.
Zion only has 3 active members. And it's damn near impossible for me to recruit when new players join for a month or so then quit. I did not have the committed player base that you all have in Escapism (I also don't have a member that can spend 100's of dollars a week to ensure my clan owns everything).
Eternal members reached out to me asking me to come back home (as they called it) and I thought it made sense. I can be apart of a clan that can compete against Escapism, because Zion does not have the active players to do so. And there's one thing I've learned about bots and that's nothing makes me feel better than watching Escapism lose. I honestly would rather you guys come in 2nd then win a month myself, I do not like you guys, at all :)
And seeing you make smart ass post like this (pretending to know me or the situation) fuels that flame anymore. Do you really want me scoring for Eternal? Why would you want to motivate one of the best scorers in the game? Seems rather ignorant honestly. Your entire post spews of fear, which makes sense as to why you'd post something like this Esv. You've always been a class act, and people usually break their mold when they are scared, their true character begins to show (and you made yourself look like a jackass in that this thread, with all due respect)
We made a clan, won months together and had a great time with one another. None of us have hard feelings, so why do you? Zion was a really fun time, and I'll never forget it, but it's time has past.
Moving forward I'm glad to be back with Eternal. They taught me the ways of the game, and I owe all of my accomplishments to them. That being said I look forward to continued success with Eternal, and hopefully bringing life back to that clan.
That's a scary thought, isn't it? ;)
~ Ville
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I started working in a warehouse 12 hour shifts 7 days a week.
There's two yankees in Atreides who do 84h weeks as well. What the fuck is wrong with you people.
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That's a scary thought, isn't it? ;)
I would say it's a motivating thought. Now it will be even harder to win and that's great because the bigger the challenge the bigger the compensation when you succeed on it. You aren't the only one who likes clan competition ;)
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It's easier for me to win as a member of Eternal than as the owner of Zion. I've got a few old friends around here that might come around with me being back...
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Why didn't you just recruit these friends into zion instead of disbanding?
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Recruit who?
I doubt Rivan, Draoi, or Port Royal want any part of leaving Eternal..
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They can just make an extra bot. Lots of the community has multiple bots in multiple clans now
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Might have to spend some time encouraging Ender to actually come back to bots first, and then get him to finish tourneys then work on PVE, so some of those high level bots can actually score properly
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We are all stuck in the same boat there..
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Hopefully this means clan competition will be raised! I look forward to the coming months!
o/
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It will be raised, that's the point of the move.
That's what they are afraid of (hence this post)
:)
HOW ARE YOU CHIMPUS!!!
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The wheels on the bus go round and round,
round and round, round and round,
the wheels on the bus go round and round,
all through the town...
EVERYBODY!
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The wheels on the bus go round and round, round and round, round and round, the wheels on the bus go round and round, all through the town.
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The wheels on the bus go round and round, round and round, round and round, the wheels on the bus go round and round, all day long.
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The wheels on the bus go round and round, round and round, round and round, the wheels on the bus go round and round, all day long.
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I doubt Rivan, Draoi, or Port Royal want any part of leaving Eternal..
+1
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hmmm esv this is trolling. very polite trolling, but trolling none the less.
shame on you, i thought you was better than that.
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I've got no problem with Esv having a strong opinion about the situation. Me defending myself allows for the community to know what I did and why I did it. In a way, it's a good thing because now everyone can see the situation through my eyes, and not a bias opinion like Esv.
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I liked very much the Ville's answer. My reaction was the result of my disappointment to see Zion end. I loved the existence of a third competing clan and I liked their dedication. Racing against them was always fun. Well, things change and now Eternal prepares to dominate bots4 again. We are here to prevent that and the next months will be great.
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One more thing. I just want to point out that Ville was very mature and he dealed with my comments in a healthy way. I admired that reaction. You have my respect.
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Zion was depleted, that's the thing. We had no one left. I would say from a competition perspective we are better off having 2 strong clans then having 1 strong clan and 2 decent clans. This makes competition more fierce between the 2 clans now. I will enjoy bots more :)
Should make for good races!
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Eternal deserve a little more than being called "decent" haha, they are winning the month so far
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Trust me, eternal has my respect and they know it. You guys are still the dynasty of this game, and everyone knows it. Hopefully we can make you sweat moving forward ;)
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These people will never change !
I was under nickname Wannabe, after one month scoring for Zion i got an offer from Alan to use his script(A/C). Of course i did accepted it, and i tried how it works for an hour or two, straight after I send it to Ender. Without me there was already few other loyal players who were doing investigation on Alan as well, I wasn't alone who knew that some players were cheating. So I ask Ender to reset my bot and lock it as well, together with all other bots, because I wanted to stay anonymous.
I was kinda disappointed after all of this, ok Alan got busted and few other players as well, but only few of his bots has been reset and he still can log in anytime he wants.
And what about Ville, when Zion was going for the win he was together with his friend Michael aka Rider in the same house playing bots, I'm sure they both were cheating 100% ! Now he just pretending like he even didn't know that Alan had a script and share with others.. yeah right lol
anyway im not here to judge anyone, i really dont care anymore.
I just wanted to prove myself that i can win a race on my own, i made a new bot named Life and i joined probably the best clan in bots Escapism. So far everyting was going well, i was holding 1st place for 20 days and I'm sure I could win it, but meh i got sick of some people accusing me of cheating, so i just decided to quit.
Last days here probably was the best times in bots for me, thanks Esvrainzas and Fishwick for supporting me, shoyuken i'm going to miss your company:( it was nice to chat with you, also thanks cali and 8lukes for helping me and apex predator don't stop scoring im sure you will win one day :)
Big thanks goes to Shoegazer that he bought all my bots and stars !
oh well goodluck and have fun o/
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I was over his house and we both played bots. It was honestly the first time in my entire life I've ever met a bots player in person. He was not cheating then, because we both sat there and played legit.
Now judging by what he did there's a good chance he was cheating prior to that (he dumped a lot of wins on Raider) but he knew my reputation as a player, that I was the owner of the clan, and that if I knew he was cheating I would kick him. There's way to much to lose by scripting, it's not worth it.
You can be 100% sure of whatever you want, they are all false accusations. I've been in a clan with Alan twice, and twice he's been banned for cheating and I have not. I've got over 450k wins based off of MONTHS of playing. I've dedicated a lot of my time and money, and made plenty of sacrifices. It would be foolish of me to throw everything away by cheating. Anyone who really knows me knows that I am a fair player.
Raider knew that, (his name is actually Michael) and he was smart enough not to show me the script Alan gave him. Ask Alan, I drilled him multiple times by letting him know if I found out he cheated I would kick him. I take bots seriously, I really do.
Please do not attack my character. You're a good dude, and we had a lot of good talks (although had I known that Life was your main bot I doubt I would have accepted you into Zion, I'm not big on spys) But I thank you for your top 10 with us, and the time you dedicated to our clan.
I wish things could have worked out better.
~ Ville
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And again, it does look a little odd that I link Life to wannabe in a forum post and you sell out. Why would you sell everything if you were legit? Who gives a fuck what people accuse you of? You're accusing me of cheating and I'm not selling all my shit (although if I was cheating, I would sell everything before I got caught..)
Just something to think about..
~ Ville
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lol come back life. oh well, it was fun while it lasted. back to the idle casual bots community that can't even recognize clans that have been around for a year. Hopefully shoe won't have to pull life's bot out this month
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I guess the cats out if the bag
-shoe
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Well Esv. To publicly try and humiliate me in the forum is very low and has shown your true self. First of all It's not you business to tell me what to do on this game whether its to move clans or stay in a certain clan.
Beginning of this when Otto scored he knew what I was doing I told him day 1, However I also told him if Zion was gonna try and win I would stop helping Eternal and help Zion which is quite obvious...
Like Ville said Zion lost a lot of scorers for some reason they just left probably due too lack of competition or it was really some other person hiding under a different user name. This is why we took to Facebook+chat which we have our own channel because all of you was joining #WelcomeZion reading in on our conversations because no other channel was active enough!
I am a clan hopper I'll admit that, but am I bothered? not really why? because my history of scoring if good enough too prove too anyone of you on this game I'm good enough. Loyalty proves nothing at all on this game. If we all stayed loyal too one clan The game wouldn't even have any competition.
P.S Esvz your a twat :D
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I like clan hoppers. They secure my top10 energy trophy. Thank you for that.
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I see fear in your writing esv. I don't know what your problem, It's going too make it much much harder for escapism too win in future months. That's all I can say. You mad bro?
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Fear from what? Lose? Lol
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They quality of this thread is AMAZING!!
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Well considering your clan mates have scored way over 3/4 of your total energy I see no threat from you! I don't know its just the way your writing all your comments!
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Why does everything have to be a bitchfest?
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This thread is just a bunch of personal jabs at one another. I think everyone has made their point clear to one another. Obviously there is bad blood between leader and escapism, and myself and escapism, it's part of the game. I think we are all at the point to where our bots game should speak for themselves. What little community we have should stick together.
And I would hope that no one would denounce the legitamency of my game. If anyone has scored against me or with me they know that I am always online and will respond to messages while I play, I have never idled out before, and if you ask Alan I had zero tolerance for cheaters. He recruited himself to Zion, and everyone else in the community believed he was playing fair. As small as this community is I needed all the members I could get, especially the ones that ask to join and want to be apart of the team.
This bickering back and forth is redundant. I am happy in Eternal and I believe Leader will be as well. There's no bad blood between anyone (except maybe Fish and I ;) )
So shut up and click links!!!
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Well considering your clan mates have scored way over 3/4 of your total energy I see no threat from you!
I always thanked my clan mates when they scored for me. They did it because they wanted to, mostly because the clan was trying to win that month. Currently Shoegazer and others of Eternal are scatter dumping to other clan members.
So, what's the problem of me scoring 3/4 of my total energy? Are you jealous to not have such a good friends as I do? Or are you mad?
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if this turns into a u mad bro thread, its gonna get locked
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I think that all people involved had the opportunity to state his opinion. For me the thread can be locked.
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Shoe is the coolest mod I know. He bro'd us!
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I think the discussion has ended now.
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