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Ender,

Can you give us ( or at least me ) some explanation why Aldin is banned? I wonder why he is. He is banned from cheating, it does not autoclicking, so i assume that is not it. I'm curious about this, because i wonder what he did actually wrong! Banning a player, that has played the game for 15 years!, without any context is a bit rude.

Ed hardly ever shares those kinds of details as he doesn't ban unless there's irrefutable proof of rule breaking, how long someone has played the game is irrelevant. If anything, a long standing player cheating is even worse as it means they potentially were doing it for a long ass time and has affected results of various things over the years. Dude was clearly auto clicking at the very least, but I would guess "cheating" is a better broad term for any kind of foul play scripts that might come up and Ed had decided to use that as a reason going forward (see Alan's last ban).

Clearly ACing? How?

I don't think we should speculate on how anyone might know that someone else AC's, just helps the cheaters learn what tells to avoid.

How WASN'T it clear?

So far as Alan though? Don't think he's a very good example of a recently banned ACer.

That dude basically got banned for NOT AC'ing, tbh. If he'd been ACing again, or planning on it, then he wouldn't have been toying with the stupid "QoL" things he was... which is kinda funny and/or sad, I guess.

Say what you like about the guy, but he wasn't ACing again. Heck, he wasn't really clicking at all ever (either normal or auto).

So far as Alan though? Don't think he's a very good example of a recently banned ACer.

How is it not a good example? He is the only example for what I said. That is the most recent ban prior to aldin and is the first time Ed has listed "Cheating" as the reason.

Because Alan wasn't banned for auto-clicking.

The ACers say "autoclicking" before Alan, sure. But Alan was NOT ACing and was not banned for ACing. If Aldin was banned for ACing but it simply says "cheating" for reason then that'd be completely different from the Alan ban.

If anything, if we're trying to argue all that means something and speaking of Alan then that would actually suggest Aldin either wasn't banned for ACing as well... or Aldin breaks pattern and is "first" for this supposed pattern we are trying to pretend exists here.

Whatever the case, it felt we were stating Alan was banned for ACing and... that isn't actually true. Sorry. As much as I'm sure that would seem to want to make sense to anyone... sorry to tell ya that Alan wasn't either ACing or banned for ACing.

Alan was banned for acing, he admitted he was using . Aldin however, idk

Alan's original ban was for A/C'ing and it predates the Hall of Shame. Every occurance from then was "banned player". The latest one says cheating. So he might not have been "A/Cing" as per the current assumption of that only applying to clicking train or fight again, if he was using a script to gain an unfair advantage then that would still count as auto clicking as it would not be him physically clicking it and falls under the pervue of "A/Cing"

FFS, Alan didn't have anything that prevented him from having to manually click. He wasn't ACing.

At no point would his last ban describe him as autoclicking.

Now... it's incredibly possible that Alan's ban simply being described as "cheating" did motivate Ender to adopt that vague term as some kinda new default... so there's that...

But facts should be facts and let's not state things as facts when we don't know, m'kay?

I unfortunately can't share details about what Aldin was doing because that would make it easier for future cheaters to bypass my detection methods. However, I understand the desire to know more about such a high-profile case, so I can share a little bit:

• Locking reason: I've historically listed "Autoclicking" as the lock reason, but with Alan, I switched to a more general reason of "Cheating" because what he did was not traditional/full automation, but something that was still in clear violation of the Cheating and unfair play policy. I know some of you know what he was doing because I can't stop what Alan has chosen to share with others outside of the game, but please don't discuss it on any official game platform. What Aldin was doing was traditional/full automation, but I'm going to keep using "Cheating" as the general lock reason going forward for these cases because I don't think being more specific than that is needed.

• Delay in detection: Aldin has been playing the game for a long time, so how was it only now that he was caught? The answer is that I've stepped up my anti-cheat measures substantially since the November 2024 case with mara. I don't talk about it too much for the same reason as the first sentence of this post, but if you look back at the last 3 sets of patch notes over the past ~year, each of them mentions anti-cheat investment. This has been ongoing work that's invisible to all players except for the increased rate of Hall of Shame entries during this period.

Not sure why you are being so pedantic, but seriously, you have gotten so far off topic honing in on the semantics.

No one, as far as I can tell, stated he was "A/Cing". Gpof mentioned him using scripts and adopted the broader term "Cheating" to be all encompassing so not to single out a specific case (or perhaps it fit better in the cases of Alan and Aldin). That said, Ed literally stated in his recent banning of Alan, Alan admitted to him to using a script (which takes us back to my original argument).

So the furthering of this discussion which is obviously going nowhere, and I admit will likely go nowhere with you, should just be stopped here. You retain your truth, we'll continue to speculate based off the information we have.

Dude, comparing Alan to Aldin is just kinda flat-out ignorant, unfair, and wrong - to be completely frank. If anyone absolutely insists on doing so then I just don't think that could be stressed enough....

But have fun with all your silly "speculating," I guess?

Dude, comparing Alan to Aldin is just kinda flat-out ignorant

com·pare
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verb
gerund or present participle: comparing
1. estimate, measure, or note the similarity or dissimilarity between.

Player: Alan
Number of associated bots locked/reset: 43
Reason: Cheating

Player: Aldin / Chriseps
Number of associated bots locked/reset: 897
Reason: Cheating

Guess I'll just leave this here and let the people decide who and/or what IS ignorant.

Gratz on moving up the energy/wins hof everyone 🥳

I would guess "cheating" is a better broad term for any kind of foul play scripts that might come up and Ed had decided to use that as a reason going forward (see Alan's last ban).

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I'm going to keep using "Cheating" as the general lock reason going forward for these cases because I don't think being more specific than that is needed.

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But have fun with all your silly "speculating," I guess?

It was entirely accurate and no longer speculation. The only thing I said was that the most recent ban (which happens to be Alan's) had the same reason listed as Aldin's.

So far as Alan though? Don't think he's a very good example of a recently banned ACer.

You are the one who started pairing his name and AC together lmao

Peet's question stated that he assumed it wasn't for AC'ing because it said "cheating."

To reply that Aldin definitely AC'd and then suggest Alan is similar enough that it is any kinda "proof" that Aldin was banned for AC'ing and the term is just a new description with a pattern of Aldin and Alan existing was just all kinds of wrong.

That's all. It did Alan unfairly dirty.

If we wanna try and compare Aldin and Alan? Aldin was a mass-shooter... and Alan was a schmuck that accidentally shot himself in the face and never hurt anyone else.

I don't give any craps. Alan seemed to exist for little more than to keep trying to troll me for most of his time... but I'm not keen on seeing a guy get lumped in with Aldin with any suggestion whatsoever their actions were remotely comparable when that guy isn't even here to defend himself.

Now, I said my peace. Think it was a turd thing to do. I'll go back to ignoring these pitiful forums because... I'm not allowed to tell you what I REALLY think.

Oh the long overdue acer ban happened thank you ender for getting that cheater off the hof finally

Peet's question stated that he assumed it wasn't for AC'ing because it said "cheating."

And I answered by speculating (again, correctly) that the wordage used for reasoning had been updated by Ender, using Alan's ban as a citation to support that thought. AKA telling him that it could be for AC'ing even though it now says "Cheating" instead. In no way did I compare the two individuals.

If we wanna try and compare Aldin and Alan? Aldin was a mass-shooter... and Alan was a schmuck that accidentally shot himself in the face and never hurt anyone else.

Since you so desperately feel the urge to keep comparing them yourself, let's go there. Alan is one who was making and distributing scripts as early as 2011. How much he used it himself I've no idea, but one little individual that used his script affected the outcomes of clan races for years. So if we're going to go with your analogy, Alan was the arms dealer at least in the past, not some random schmuck.

wordage used for reasoning had been updated by Ender, using Alan's ban as a citation to support that thought.

Yeah. And that was your problem.

Not my problem if you can't follow the logic trees and see the fail.

Also... I don't care anymore (and I'm not talking to you, GPoof, here). I really, really don't...

Right, not your problem when you're the only one to make a fuss about it. A very sturdy tree of logic.

you're the only one to make a fuss about it.

Maybe count the number of dancers doing that tango again?

Impressive to tango by yourself.

Trolling sure is entertaining.

Wiggin has answered the original question & i see no value in keeping this thread open as its devolved into a pointlessly pedantic back & forth. click