Now I know you all hate me for bringing up old topics so let's try and keep this one civil. It simply has to do with what heightened competition has done to the community overall.
So in bots2 there was the clan race just as it was now, just without buffs or platinums or dumpers, but with diplomacy and whores instead. The bots2 community I think was more communal in the regard that we shared whores, made whores for each other, talked about builds, made tournament bots, and generally talked a lot more without us attacking each other all the time like we do now. Since the focus was mostly on attacking and building whores, which was fairly boring, we had more of a calm atmosphere that even people in opposing clans had stuff in common like "Hey Shoe, nice The Hours clan, I used it a lot to level up my bot!". Not that people didn't attack each other or get mad, but not to the degree I see on bots4.
Now it seems like nobody is willing to share or talk with one another because of the positions they are currently in, which is unlikely to change. The casualness of the game is broken by those who are out for your blood for no reason other than to annoy you. Or even if they aren't, they can just be damn annoying. All for the sake of competition, of platinums and buffs and dumpers and so on.
To make it a short story, think of bots4 as a MLG game like CS GO where people get mad and throw controllers and have hissy fits over very minute things. And now think of bots2 as a Nintendo game where people were mostly just focused on having fun and helping others (I used to give diplomacy spots to friends, Shoe used to run a ratio whore clan, same with Adsy, and I used to chat with people all day and have fun in comparison to now, for example). And I think you have a good idea of why this game has ultimately failed in comparison to the others legacy. It's a different direction but did it end up being more fun?
And you don't have to bother answering this Fish or Gpof because I already know your positions on everything in the game. It's perfect, yatta yatta yatta. Oh I think one pixel is out of place, fix it please Ender. Not that I don't like or respect your opinion, I'm just saving you time of writing anything since I know what you'll write.
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No bots4 is not too competetive compared to bots2
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Hate is a pretty strong word and emotion and to be hated just because one holds a different opinion than others hold really is a sad thing. That doesn't mean that the hated person is a bad person, it just means that he probably is not understood and other people think he is intentionally trying to destroy what they have built up over the years. Maybe he is trying to dump on them but why bother, just quitting would be better in the long run. That however seems to be the way of the world in general these days and it's no different here which is very sad.
At any rate, Bots 2 indeed did seem to be a much more friendly place, that I do agree with you on. Unfortunately there are always a few bad apples and what I'll call disruptors in every crowd. People like that get pleasure out of disrupting. For some reason, whatever that is I do not know, there seems to be more of that kind here than was present in Bots2. Maybe I'm wrong but I see a lot of people bitching about different things all the time here and it seems to snowball in to all out war on the forums and in the form of personal attacks. (I gather that from reading the postings here on the forum that seem to devolve in to shouting matches rather quickly. That's why I stay out of it but felt like commenting on this post). It's sad that people on here can't get along together and try to see each others side because it might be fun to actually come here if everyone were friends. Now, not so much fun because of the various bad attitudes.
One side seems to be concerned about losing their position as the top players / contributors in the game and that is actually understandable. The other side which probably consists of people that are new or that don't know the inner workings of the way the games code works seem to want to gain an equal footing and they make (what they) think are suggestions that might seem like logical ways to improve the game to them. Only other people don't agree and things devolve and hate starts dominating.
What can be done about it because in reality it does make this game be a rather unfriendly affair and it can spill over to effect other people (kind of like me) that isn't involved with either side. Unfortunately it really doesn't make much difference and these forum postings in reality are a waste of time because the games developer / admin doesn't seem to care one way or the other. So I ask, why bother even discussing this? It's not going to help and it doesn't make much sense at all. Have a wonderful day and enjoy the game because in reality, how much longer can it continue like this...
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This is a good topic for discussion as it's not as much of a one side vs another, I like it. I don't think your last paragraph there fits too well with your opening request of keeping things civil though, but I digress.
One thing I'd attribute to the differences in social dynamics between bots 2&4 is needing maintenance for dumpers (i.e. safe energy source) as well as energy being limited. Even with 20 eph dumpers the gear will eventually break which needs camping, ergo some people not being as willing to share openly or excessively. It also requires access to the bot itself, not just a diplomacy switch to benefit from it.
The other attributing factor I'd say is the smaller pool of players. I think it's safe to say most players know each other to some extent, or at least the more vocal ones. This lack of anonymity tends to make us quick to associate everything done in this game to a name or entity. Whatever somebodies intentions are, I believe it puts a lot of tension in the atmosphere and could be the cause of repelling some others from posting on the forums for example.
As for the topics question; I think the current system promotes the game to be more competitive, but the playerbase simply doesn't support it. That's my quick two cents, I'm sure there's plenty of other factors as to why we play the game how we do.
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And you don't have to bother answering this Fish or Gpof because I already know your positions on everything in the game. It's perfect, yatta yatta yatta.
People who disagree with me stay away ok, this is my safespace and I don't want my thoughts challenged :(
This shows just how little you read and comprehend, just spout your bile out whenever you think people have gone too long without knowing how much you hate the game. I've many issues with the game, just not the same ones as you.
On topic, I'll keep it brief:
You're enjoying your nostalgia of bots2 way too much. It wasn't the game you think it was, whore clans would routinely "friendly" other non-competitive clans such as my own so they couldn't even get 1 cs per fight. Just because you had more friends back then doesn't mean it was a less competitive game, it was way more so. I don't intend to start anything with pirates or yourself, but the stuff they've been bitching about is literally nothing compared to what happened in bots2, or even just earlier in bots4 between Eternal and Escapism. There was less to gain from attacking opposing clans, sure, but I would say that is a very big flaw of bots2. This should be a game where the strength of your bot matters.
The game isn't competitive at all at the minute, and hasn't been since Shoe/Ville/Leader played, and I don't mean that in an "Escapism Dominance" kind of way. Nothing fun ever happens. Sure you guys complain about me taking 4k energy from you, but onlining? levelling? NaN-ratio ruins before level 100? Shoe even bought a bot for way over what it was worth just to take it out of Escapism and deduct ~1m energy from us, making a month go from a win to a loss. None of that happens cause no one is that competitive anymore. Everyone is friends for the most part, drama just seems to be in words rather than actions
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I'm not sure if the real question in this thread is if bots4 is more competitive, or if it is just more hostile. Bots2 was definitely more competitive than bots4 imo. Clan competition was pretty stiff every month, and as a result there were rarely long periods of dominance by a single clan. Although perhaps there was some camaraderie between allied clans who shared whores, there were still plenty of people who loathed each other and sought to destroy each other at any given opportunity. Some examples would be 12 Monkeys and Frown a long time ago, Mal destroying Asian's clans repeatedly, or even certain Croatian hackers disbanding Fields of Babylon before floR reinstated them. I also recall things like Saiyan getting downraped some 20 levels on his ratio bot by players who just wanted to ruin it for fun.
I have to agree with Fish in that some of the things that have been complained about recently pale in comparison to the earlier days of bots4 or bots2. Getting your NaN destroyed prior to level 100 was pretty much a common occurrence, to the point of even being expected if you were reckless enough to be online at the same time as rival players. Most players would be embarrassed to even mention that they were raped by another player, let alone have a full on meltdown about it in the forums.
I would say that in general bots2 was a little more casual friendly, owing mostly to the fact it was more PvE oriented and that there were no freaked builds. There certainly is more potential to screw with your enemies in bots4 than in bots2, but all it takes is competent botbuilding to circumvent that problem. There isn't really any ground to stand on for people who wish to complain simply because they are bad at the game.
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While bots2 was competitive as you all said, and my memory of it may put it in a better light than others, I still never felt the disdain I feel on this game. Clans merged when they thought it was beneficial, nothing stopped people from making their own whores and whore clans to fight, and some people did tend to get pissy about other clans and attack them like they do now, but because there was no freaking, it was based on who had the better build, same as now. All freaking has done in this regard is make the attacking bot have a higher likelihood to run out of armor.
Many of the bad tactics of bots2 were from floR's laziness to fix holes like the ability to delete a bot if you had the pass and delete clans by hacking or other forms of stupidity. But people have done dumb stuff on here too, Ville autoclicking all his way to the top, somebody imitating me to Rith and stealing all his bots, autoclickers that wouldn't go away, scams, other bot stealers, and other crazy plans. So people haven't lost the will to play dirty, that's for sure.
But what I meant with all this is fairly simple, there reason there is no competition in bots4 is because of too much competition. Making a clan, gaining members, teaching them the ins and outs of the game, then to tell them the way they are playing the game isn't up to the standards of other people (thus ruining their immersion with how they were playing up to that point, which may lead them to leave the game), then getting them to play the way the "big clans" do, then having those same "big clans" attack them to see how weak they are, then trying month after month of trying and trying just not to succeed because somebody in the "big clans" has some stash of dumpers or something they were keeping back, is demoralizing. You can see from this that the main focus becomes less on enjoying the game and more on beating your opponent, and ONLY beating your opponent. Not helping the friendly 3rd or 4th place clan out with your whores or dumpers or something because the top 2 would jsut take that energy in a competitive month. All the focus is just on the top 2 or 3 clans and that's it.
Oh, and Fishwick/Gpof, it's nothing that personal against you, I'm just going with your guy's history of suggestions. For your own personal laughter, have a look at all the glorious suggestions you two have added to the forums over time:
Demote Self - Fish
Auto-focus on login screen - Fish
Feedback when target is battling - Actual useful suggestion by Fish, too bad it was never implemented
Some junk about bmail deletion, who cares
Another thing that has been long outstanding, bad weapons - Fish
You have 45 replies in suggestions with Fishwick but none of them are actual suggestions, most of them are denying the suggestions. Except one or two, this has been the case. Or I might be missing some. Gpof's suggestions aren't much different than yours (very minute detail suggestions or things Ender knows should be done but doesn't want to bother with it):
Reset forum status - Gpof (this is literally the only one I could find, if you find more Gpof, go ahead and add them)
So as you can see, you two don't really add much to the suggestions of the game. Move something here, get rid of things people don't use, mostly things only coders would care about. I talk about larger issues and people's actions and ideas of what they are trying to accomplish on the game. Its just that your suggestions and ideas seem smaller in scope than mine for the game. I've seen you two shoot down more ideas than you've suggested, while I've done none of that. I like when people talk about issues, and I wished that Ender would too. I also have tried not to win based on being a dick on this game, but because that is seemingly impossible, I don't really wish to play.
You just think I hate you when all I'm doing is doing most of the time is giving logical arguments against things like having a monopoly in the clan race and other things. When you guys would look at what you've actually said on this game, you'd probably laugh at what you have said over the years about progress in the game and whatnot.
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I still never felt the disdain I feel on this game.
Like I said, you had more friends then. You're, for the most part, rather rude and aggressive on the forums, maybe not as bad as most games I've played, but certainly the worst since SJ decided to stop posting as much. Why would anyone be pleasant to someone like that? I don't know if you remember, but we got along a long time ago, you were actually the one that taught me about freaking and dumpers, one of my earliest mails is you sending me a blaster build. But you started turning against me as I became more of what you see as "the establishment"
There is still a decent community on here, you just aren't part of it. Gpof and Sam were some of Escapisms biggest rivals for a long time, but found their way to Escapism cause the rivalry was purely in-contest, not in relationship. Pirates have their little circle of friends, so do we here in Escapism and it looks like Pot may even be trying to rekindle Eternal. Friendships and community exist, just not when 99% of what you do on the game is toxic and puts people off being friendly to you.
the main focus becomes less on enjoying the game and more on beating your opponent
It's a competitive, ego-driven game. It can never be a "fun" game in the sense of really enjoying the combat mechanics (clicking a word), so statistics, achievements and rankings are what matters and where people derive enjoyment from, whether you agree with that or not. People tend to enjoy it most when they are winning, which is why you're salty now that your success with Malicious came to an end. I doubt you complained about the state of the game a single time when you were coming first.
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Well there's this one from just a couple months ago. I don't want to bother looking because I don't really care, I never claimed to provide numerous suggestions. There isn't some sort of quota of suggestions you need to meet before you're allowed to critique others. Apart from that, your "large" suggestions are addressing what you are saying the issues are, you do not speak for everybody Zal. It's rare for something to be agreed upon unanimously and you need to learn to accept that.
You just think I hate you when all I'm doing is doing most of the time is giving logical arguments against things like having a monopoly in the clan race and other things. When you guys would look at what you've actually said on this game, you'd probably laugh at what you have said over the years about progress in the game and whatnot.
I'm not all that concerned with what you (or anyone) might think of me, but I find some of your suggestions and reasoning to be a mixed bag of logical and irrational. I re-read quite a bit of things said on the forum and am aware impressions I might have made in the past.
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First of all, hi rose o/
Second of all, since you brought up Malicious Fish, I'll tell you what happened. It was more of a thing me and Esv talked about. It's quite long though. I'll just say this, Esv put the idea that Wild was Ville into me. Being 1st doesn't mean that much to me or if it did I would be constantly playing the game trying to beat you guys. Not all my arguments are logical, I do get mad every once and awhile, as everyone does. You guys are free to like the game more than me but denying nearly every comment or suggestion on the forums is not productive either. Our arguments have led Ender to not even give a shit about us any more.
This thread will change nothing so I don't know why you are getting so mad over nothing. just because I said don't post to save yourself some time you guys take that as some sort of threat against free speech of yours on this game. So what do you do? Yell at me knowing I have no power to change the game that heavily. I don't have the time to do so. You have scared so many players away from the main forum because of your attitudes, you have no idea.
Now, onto the gigantic bmail between me and Esv about Malicious since Fishwick is so god damn bent on derailing this thread. Also, funny note, I thought it was funny when you mentioned that it was more fun when Ville was around, even though he cheated all the time. If you want I and others could autoclick too and provide you some entertainment!
Esvrainzas [196]
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2016-07-30 13:43:26
[323 days ago]
What do you know about The wilderness?
MrZal2 [100]
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2016-07-30 13:48:44
[323 days ago]
That if you change the w and the d in his name it's The Villerness?
What I know about him is just what he's told me. He's an American who works at a call center like 16 hours a day 7 days a week and recently lost his girlfriend. He said he played a little bit of bots2 but doesn't seem to know much about bots4 or cheating etc.
But go on, tell me who he is. I've heard every con job in the book. Roffler was probably the funniest of the bunch. I get in every clan that seems to have cheaters :P
Esvrainzas [196]
rank 9
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2016-07-30 13:52:39
[323 days ago]
The Villerness
Why do you said this? You think he is ville?
MrZal2 [100]
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2016-07-30 13:54:35
[323 days ago]
No, I just thought it was funny.
What did you want to know then? He said you were trying to recruit him.
Esvrainzas [196]
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2016-07-30 13:58:18
[323 days ago]
Yes I am. This is what I know:
His name is robert, he's from atlanta and the rest is similar to what you said.
He started playing bots4 this year and in his second month he scored 1M presumably due to your whores... really great for a new player.
He told you he is from atlanta too?
MrZal2 [100]
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2016-07-30 14:06:02
[323 days ago]
Ah I see.
Ya, Robert is his name and I think he said he's from Atlanta. The first time he said his name was Robert I automatically remembered Roffler since Roffler was also a Robert, but he was a Canadian. He didn't seem to know who Roffler was lol.
He also scored that without using buffs at all. So 1 million/16-24 energy each fight = minimum 41,667 fights. I think it was more like 60,000 though. Shoyuken was surprised by his wins, I think he might have got more that month.
He has the weirdest taste in music though. Definitely not Roffler with what kind of weird jazz stuff Wild likes lol.
Anything else you would like to know? Is he going to be joining you?
Esvrainzas [196]
rank 9
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2016-07-30 14:17:25
[323 days ago]
He isn't Roffler.
Alright I will tell you this information but I ask you to be cautious.
I was very motivated to recruit The Wilderness as you do understand. I presented him to Myriad and Rene in #escapism. There you can see the IP of the person. I'm not sure if Wild know this. Anyway, Rene checked his IP in IP tracer. Can you guess which location it was from? Yes you were right: Louisville.
Plus: he added me to WhatsApp with a number started by 1-(502). Louisville again. I advice you and luthrin to kindly ask him the ownership of MV if you dont want to have your clan deleted by any chance. Dont buy any of his bots too. Remember what he did to Benny. Don't tell Wild we suspect he is Ville. Please...
Ender already has this information. Let's see if he blocks him or not. But I'm 99% sure he is Ville. Ofc he won't enter in Escapism due to these informations.
MrZal2 [100]
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2016-07-30 14:28:37
[323 days ago]
He did kinda let it slip that he likes alcohol and weed, which Ville also does lol. Ville is never careful in his disguises, but if it is him and he ends up having cheated or whatever (Ender knows there's an autoclicker going around) I must admit, I kinda liked talking to him again. I know he plays dumb all the time but I find it strange that he would help me and Luthrin and not Eternal if it were him. But you know, he likes changes of pace.
And I'll ask him nicely to put Luthrin back as owner. After all, Luthrin tried hard this month, he might understand. As far as I know we haven't bought any of his bots. He barely has any anyway.
There is one way I know of to prove he's Ville, but he plays so dumb he might not even remember it.
Either way, thanks for the information. I wish all these cheaters would fuck off already :( Should I tell Luthrin you think?
Esvrainzas [196]
rank 9
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2016-07-30 14:34:22
[323 days ago]
Luthrin should know ofc. But tell him to not tell Wild that we all suspect he is Ville.
He fooled everyone included me. You just have to give him credit for that :/
I hope you and luth don't let die MV after this.
Btw, he is talking about joining us. So he may in fact leave MV without you doing nothing.
MrZal2 [100]
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2016-07-30 14:34:42
[323 days ago]
I sent him a bmail to put Luthrin as owner next month. It sounds dumb enough by me so as to not raise any alarms :)
Esvrainzas [196]
rank 9
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2016-07-30 14:38:35
[323 days ago]
Lets hope he gives it to Luthrin...
MrZal2 [100]
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2016-07-30 14:42:28
[323 days ago]
Alright, I'll tell him on IRC when I see him. I'll send him a bmail to see if he can come on this weekend. I don't know how much he and Wild have exchanged passes and who goes on what. The funniest thing is that Luthrin found some old passes of Ville bots that he had in a bmail and Wild went on them and leveled them a bit for himself lol.
Well I don't vet people as well as I should. Me and Luthrin's fault for letting him in.
I just hope we get the ownership back so it doesn't. Me and Luthrin are good friends, we won't let it die. But I must admit it might be hard for us to keep going as just 2 people against the armies against us.
And you can let him in if you want, so long as he gives one of us ownership beforehand. I don't think he'll do it since he has 3 million energy here. But who knows, that never seems to matter to autoclickers lol. So you go ahead and try that tactic if you want. And if it ends up he's not Ville, which is unlikely as how many people from Louisville play this game, then you have yourself a nice new ally.
Esvrainzas [196]
rank 9
100
2016-07-30 14:55:38
[323 days ago]
Trust me. It's Ville. It just makes sense to be him. I hope he doesnt know we suspect it's him. He needs to continue thinking he will get accepted in Escapism. It's like his dream you know? He got very offended when we rejected him. Then he started scoring a lot for eternal to prove we made a wrong decision by rejecting him...
MrZal2 [100]
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2016-07-30 15:05:45
[323 days ago]
Well hopefully when you let him in he'll finally live his dream and leave the game forever xD Unless you don't want him to join. That's fine too. The main thing is to get him to give up ownership and get Luthrin to change any passes that Wild may know.
And ya, he does operate like that. Too bad he pulled the wool over so much on Shoe, Shoe is such a nice guy.
It'd kinda sad when you think that of the few people left playing the game, 2 are (mostly) confirmed cheaters, 3 are just normal Canadians (me, Luth, and shoy), 2 are fifty and bazza and fifty seemingly wants to sell everything and leave, and 5 other Escapism members, Benny, you, lyrad, myriad, and TheCause. What the shit happened huh :/ What kind of competition can this breed? 5 Escapism with dumpers vs 2 MV with not much of anything vs 2 Eternal members that don't really want to play.
Esvrainzas [196]
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100
2016-07-30 15:09:45
[323 days ago]
Who is the other cheater??? Well lets hope some players get back to the game in the future. Bots usually is like that. People take breaks and then come back...
MrZal2 [100]
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2016-07-30 15:24:19
[323 days ago]
Well he already talked to Ender about his cheating and the two agreed on terms I think. I could probably get him banned more but he doesn't play much anyway. If he comes back and does something while cheating I'll get Ender to give him the full ban treatment. Unless you think it's better if I just get him outright banned anyway. But I think it's fine the way it is. Ender has a lot on his plate, fixing the security due to the new autoclicker, banning ville, banning the other cheater (or whatever they agreed on), and of course trying to make his new updates.
Yes but unfortunately they all seem to be cheaters lol. I wouldn't mind seeing rose, nos, shoe etc. come back though. Benny said he's going to reclan some stuff this month. I don't want the game to die :(
Esvrainzas [196]
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2016-07-30 15:40:51
[323 days ago]
I have no idea of who you are talking about... can you tell me who is he please?
I dont want this game to die either...
MrZal2 [100]
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2016-07-30 15:48:38
[323 days ago]
This information has been redacted for the sake of the other cheater He/she also gave me the ac script to give to Ender, of which I did. Ender gave me 24 hours of immunity to test it and I haven't used it since. I'm going to miss the showroom camper function though. It's just another one of Alan's scripts by the way. At the very least you know you can always trust me to be a fair player :P
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I'm surrounded by cheaters Esv -- I was going to up and quit and just make my own clan since I'm the only one who I can trust anymore.
Esvrainzas [196]
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2016-07-30 16:00:18
[323 days ago]
redacted for the sake of the other undisclosed cheater
I hope that you never use it. It would be a deception for me. You may not like me but I used to like you before. Then you started posting all that stuff in the forum... anyway, everyone has the right for a second chance (well except ville). I would like to stop the "war" between us...
MrZal2 [100]
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2016-07-30 16:18:00
[323 days ago]
redacted for the sake of the other undisclosed cheater
Ender thinks it's just a new Alan script. We tried to figure out the author and something that stood out was the captcha solver redirected to Alan's old build calculator website still, even though it was offline + the captcha solver didn't work anyway. redacted sentence Either way, I just know that it's somewhat public. redacted sentence Luthrin said that he's been offered a script before but hasn't used it.
I've played 15 years on this game legitimately, not going to start cheating now. And I still like you or else I wouldn't be talking to you. This month just raised my blood pressure is all. TheCause pissed me off more than anything. Your defense posts just annoyed me is all. You and TheCause respect me and I threw it away because I thought my two friends were good people and for some reason TheCause didn't seem to get that I wasn't in Escapism lol. And Pothead/Zord butted their heads in for no damn reason.
Too much drama this month for so little. I'm not at war with you guys. I just don't want to admit that I can't do everything myself. And me and Ender are both in same boat in that respect. it just makes me wonder what I should do on this game is all :/ All I want is PvE so I can live my life in somewhat peace lol.
I hope you can forgive me for this month. All I wanted was some competition and all I got was no respect, 2 cheaters found, and an ac script to give to Ender. But hey, at least that sexy ASCII art lady in the forum is hot.
Esvrainzas [196]
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2016-07-30 16:25:46
[323 days ago]
Yes she is indeed hot. I was missing her!
Crazy month indeed. I feel sorry that all of this happened to you. Hey, you dont know what to do in bots? You can discuss with me some projects. I love to talk about bots stuff.
As you can see, I'm pursuing a new goal with Esvrainzas. I never got seriously into training but now I have to since it's my main bot :P however I'm not training until lvl 300.
A bunch of stuff about leveling bots because me and Esv are good friends, no matter what you assholes do.
MrZal2 [100]
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2016-07-30 19:35:48
[323 days ago]
Also, Wild's reply:
"Luth can have owner back whenever he wants it, all he has to do is ask. I was thinking maybe if we know we are going to get a GW or something he can pass it to me.
it's all good dude, i'm not even worried about all of it right now. i just enjoy playing with you all."
Haven't heard anything from Luthrin yet.
Esvrainzas [196]
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2016-07-30 19:55:27
[323 days ago]
I will tell you again: it's crucial that he doesn't know we suspect he is ville. He could delete your clan for example. He said he was leaving MV on Aug 1st... so let's wait if he leaves or not. Once he leaves luthrin should change all his PWs. However those bots may become locked sadly.
I really hope he does leave MV...
I've been talking with him since your last bmail. I got more confident that it is Ville.
Btw I hope you didnt tell this to luthrin by bmail. Ville can read it. Even when you talk with him in IRC make sure its luthrin by checking his IP or by another mean.
Esvrainzas [196]
rank 9
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2016-07-30 19:58:20
[323 days ago]
I see you three are in the chat... I hope you dont say you think he is ville. Please dont do it
Esvrainzas [196]
rank 9
100
2016-07-30 21:29:02
[323 days ago]
You two can't keep your mouth shut up can't you? :)
Remember he is still the owner of your clan... I tried to help you guys... I'm glad that I haven't shared with him nothing more than some bots4 knowledge.
But it is Ville. Dont get fooled anymore.
MrZal2 [100]
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2016-07-31 09:48:01
[323 days ago]
More like Luthrin can't keep his mouth shut. I said nothing. But Luthrin opens up his mouth like a $5 whore :P
I think it'll work out fine. Who knows. Everything is out there now and all we can hope for is either Ender's intervention or Wild to be an ok guy. We did ask him to change ownership. He didn't. He wants the gold medal or something.
Luth doesn't want MV to go away but if it does I'll try and rebuild it with him. Personally I'd like a new, sexier name. But it's fine between us, we danced to Just the Two of Us yesterday lol.
Did Ender get back to you on anything?
MrZal2 [100]
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2016-08-01 15:51:59
[321 days ago]
???
MrZal2 [100]
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2016-08-01 15:51:59
[321 days ago]
???
Esvrainzas [200]
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2016-08-01 15:57:21
[321 days ago]
He said he will look at it...
MrZal2 [100]
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2016-08-01 15:58:49
[321 days ago]
Didn't mean to double bmail btw.
Thanks :) Continue on ^^
MrZal2 [100]
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2016-08-06 12:17:39
[316 days ago]
Cya Esv btw, I'm done. Been a good ride :)
Esvrainzas [200]
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2016-08-17 05:51:45
[306 days ago]
What do you mean? Your last login was 15h ago so obviously you didnt go away.
MrZal2 [100]
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2016-08-17 19:20:51
[305 days ago]
I was just transferring a star.
But other than that I've been gone mostly. Out of MV and what have you too. Some weird shit went on :/ Luthrin says if I play he'll attack me all the time lol. He's kinda lost his mind.
Oh well, it's better for my health this way anyway. I might play here and there to clan some whores or something. But you guys and MV can play the energy game from now on. I wish there was just a social clan on this game :/ Atreides used to be one but not anymore. Would you join a social clan?
Esvrainzas [200]
rank 9
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2016-08-18 05:31:29
[305 days ago]
I never remember to login in The Runner because I usually login only in esvrainzas and bots that I need to use...
Yes I could join a social clan but probably wouldnt login in that bot very often.
We can always talk in the chat if you want to or by bmail :)
My God, you better enjoy this Fishwick, because you owe me a new CTRL key for all the BR copy pasting I did.
Also, since Rose is here, here's a new Muse video.
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That seriously took me 20 minutes to read. Now I'm done for the night LOL!
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Lmao, I said you were salty your success came to an end, I really don't care about why it did, but it did. You volunteered to derail your own thread, I've no interest in those bmails.
I did prefer it when Ville was around and I didn't know he was ACing. He (or Alans script) was good competition, along with his clan of competitive, fun players to play against. People who played the game by scoring and tactics, not complaining on the forums, trying to get it changed to let them win. Yeah it sucked that he AC'd and he was rightly banned. Up until we knew he was ACing, it beat the situation we have at the minute.
Look, you can reply without wasting everyones mobile data!
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mamamamamax headroom!
Great track :)
love him or loathe him ville has charm & character. besides it's always good to have a villain to rant about it gives many a reason to play ;)
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just because I said don't post to save yourself some time you guys take that as some sort of threat against free speech of yours on this game. So what do you do? Yell at me knowing I have no power to change the game that heavily.
What? All I did was imply telling Fish and myself not to bother posting wasn't civil (you requested to keep this thread as such), then proceeded to talk about the topic without any negative comments toward anybody. As Fish said, you're derailing this thread just fine on your own. You tell us it's not personal and then start bringing up our suggestion count etc. which isn't even relevant to the topic/question at hand.
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But I spent so much time doing the br code stuff Fish! How dare you not read it! I'm just trying to give you more of an insight into what happened, but if you choose to ignore it while bringing it up when it wasn't warranted, so be it.
Your suggestion history does have a lot to do with my thoughts on you two Gpof. It's no different than say, talking to Trump and expecting anything more than a lie, strictly based on his history. People are creatures of habits, and the denial you two have spread over the years is quite large.
Now, as for the actual topic, I suppose I shouldn't have added that last part. The theory is simply that adding or changing the game to a more casual nature would be beneficial to some. Reducing hostilities would increase friendliness and willingness to help the game in the long run. Reducing hostilities is unlikely in the current atmosphere.
And to the idea of actually scoring or doing stuff instead of talking about this stuff so much, that may be a good idea. But since the tactics are so well known on this game and people tend to get mad over them, there is a high likelihood that when it happens to you you'll just be in here complaining too. So it becomes a cycle, a cycle I wanted to try and break so as to increase the fun factor.
That paragraph about Ville was priceless though Fish, thanks for that. If I ever run into Ville or Roffler or Tintin again, I'll tell them to give you some autoclicking competiton while they get drunk off their asses and talk about dumb shit in chat, just like you like it apparently.
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Your suggestion history does have a lot to do with my thoughts on you two Gpof.
I didn't dispute that in any way, quit trying to twist what I speak of. Your thoughts on myself and Fishwick are precisely what derailed this thread, there was no need to mention them at all if you actually wanted to keep this thread civil and on-topic.
Now, as for the actual topic
You even show that you yourself think it's off-topic. I gave my thoughts on the subject you brought up and then you begin (and continue) to berate me for unrelated topics.
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"I enjoyed playing against someone before I knew he was an ACer" is the same as "I love playing against known ACers and wish there were more of them"
Zal logic
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I knew Ville was an ACer long before you might have thought he was, I mean, it was fairly obvious. A drunk that supposedly stays up all night and works and buys a bunch of things to feed his bots and that never set off any red signals? He never shut up and yet he put out high numbers lol.
I said that mentioning you two was a mistake and set up for the non-related messages that led to this Gpof. I thought I'd go for a double-header I suppose where I prepare your argument for you since I knew what it would be beforehand. It's just what good debaters do. Except here there's nothing to really win or lose, it was just a topic of nostalgia. This is not my game or your game, just Ender's (his words, not mine, also, Ender's Game reference). And if he miraculously comes by and starts work on something because of any of our threads it would be good. But I highly doubt he even reads anything on here anymore that even resembles anything other than silly stuff about crab whistlers or something.
But I'll be quiet now since I think in this thread I've exposed what is the proverbial end of the logic string on the game. By making bots4 more competitive, Ender laid a groundwork for others to accumulate resources and dominate (Eternal, Escapism, a few others), but when the competitive spirit would inevitably become too toxic and drive new and old players away who wanted something more casual and not deal with a-holes 24/7, one clan would dominate without much effort and the stream of new players and perhaps revenue would dry up since there would be less to do, not like this game costs a lot to upkeep anyway. The other thing going against the game being it has no graphics and is a relic in the new age of gaming, so it's inevitable this game will go in a cycle until everyone is bored or it ends from an external source. All just a project of poor planning.
Captain Obvious is out o/
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I actually think your first post was a good point zal. Gone way off as usual though...
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I actually think your first post was a good point zal. Gone way off as usual though...
Well it is the Misc. forum :)
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