suggestions

I thought of a couple different things with this in mind: People who get to the whore/shitty bots first will have the most energy, always.

If the main goal is to let the best built bots win, it shouldn't just be who hawks the small bots for energy.

The first thing I thought of was to take away a percentage of energy if you win. But thinking how much time people put into attacking smaller guys, it still wouldn't be fair for them. And small percentages would make it take forever to get energy from people with little energy.

So then I came up with this. We should be given energy based on how much energy our opponent has. For example,

Energy Energy Stolen
0-1000 20
1001-5000 50
5000-25000 100

And so forth. The numbers are pretty much random, I just want to suggest the system.

I like this idea ^

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Agreed.

I'm against this, why punish the people who can log on more than others, it makes no sense.

I would say it isn't punishing just not rewarding them... I quite like the idea as it encourages people to fight better bots :)

I disagree... you work really hard to get 10k energy and then you are attacked by bots who have no energy... they win ONE fight out of ten and you loose energy? that doesnt seem fair at all

Then, perhaps you also lose an equal amount of energy for losing?

Whichever bots has the highest energy sets how much energy either of them will take if they win?

Yeah it does feel like it needs a little work but I actually think this idea has potential

This idea sucks, i say reward the people who log more often than those that don't and i'm sure ender will agree.

I don't agree to this suggestion simply because:

1) There is already clans who are basically tranferring energy to other clans (by purposely loosing). Essentially this helps populate the idea even more, which I dont want to discuss in here. Yeah you prolly dont mean it that way but it could possible (does) happen.

2) Even if this was ratio based it would be abused, by above.

3) Im not sure whether you should reward players that log on more than it does now anyways, more than players that don't.. if thats the case Ender would have made clan size 100, its the same if they are the best why dont they get all the players?

If the main argument here is rewarding players that aren't as active, we might as well go back to the old clanscore method.

The way I see it though, this energy method was intended for the best bots to gather the most energy. But if somebody with a mediocre bot is on all day and just takes 20 energy from any crappy bot he can attack every hour, he will most likely have the most energy for his level. Even if someone has a bot built 100x as perfect as his.

If he gathers 25k energy in one day, how will somebody take all the energy from him. If it's in my level range, that's 100 attacks. 100x20 would make 2000 energy. That hardly seems fair at all if you ask me.

And I'm sure there will always be ways to sneak in some type of advantage to gathering energy/clanscore regardless of the system that's used.

My whole suggestions is based on assuming energy was created to benefit the best builds, without any consideration to activity.

and your not going to get 20 each time.. its between 24 and 16. depending on the fight, if you three hit kill someone and they dont even scratch you its only 16

Then that makes even less you can take if your build is more superior, just 1600.

I hate to be a stickler but hobo damn... between 16 and 24 averages what?

Yea but I was using a scenario where one bot is vastly superior. He was proving my point further.

Indeed i was just further proving the point, but i was also saying that depending on how the fight goes you get a certain amount of energy.

~Hobo

Or u can just be clanless and close this thread :D

Uhh.. I must not understand you. I'm just making a suggestion how I think the energy system could be improved. Let me emphasize, "how I think". I have no problem with the energy system or the old clanscore system. The energy system is new and needs constructive feedback.

OP, I disagree. No real reason, I just think it's fine how it is.

Some other things I thought of that this will help resolve.


-Assuming this change to energy was to promote real wars, good bots should be fighting good bots. Personally, I avoid them more now because even if you win more than half the fights, you barely gain energy for the effort.

-Also, I tend to avoid bots with higher ratios. Not because I don't want a good fight, but because I will level up before I even manage to take 500 energy.


Please correct me if I'm the only one experiencing those two feelings.

Does need changing somehow. Since i've gotten a better ratio I never get attacked :(

Go back to the old cs system where is should be then you won't have to worry about debating this topic. floR may have been lazy but he certainly did get that part of the game right. Bring back the declaring war on other clans part of it too...

idc about the energy (think its fine as it is) just want the war between clans back ...

As soon as you bring wars into the picture whore clans will back.

If the goal is to let the better built bot to win, then make the better built bot and whore the high energy people. First come, first serve I say.