As the title suggests ?
I know we've got insurance already, but would a bank not be more beneficial to everyone ? Some levels, below 60 for example may find it extremely difficult to get a lot of kudos, some for unique armours etc. Personal experience, when I was saving the cash to buy a Manic Cranium and Iron pelt recently, both of which add up to roughly 2M .. I was attacked repeatedly online, and stripped of most of it.
No complaints for that, as it's a part of the game unfortunately. But Since then I found it almost impossible, with the INT and only half-finished build I had, to get that cash back.
What I'm suggesting is a simple bank, where you'd obviously need to pay a deposit or withdrawal fee ( similar to insurance ) and a limit of 10M perhaps, or a limit determined by level ; to avoid abusing the system. Obviously that allows some players to keep their cash safe when they're ONLINE, as well as off, without giving them any sort of advantages. I know most of you are veterans, so maybe it wouldn't interest you as much because it's not what you're used to. I'm just thinking of everyone else too, including people who haven't played before.
Thoughts ?
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i thought you were a veteran player..?
Kudos bank will not exist..
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I didn't say I wasn't. I was around in Bots2, but the difference being that the game was so corrupted with hordes of whore clans, and players so busy clanscoring on them, that nobody EVER needed to worry about being attacked for cash, let alone being attacked online. You could log in after months of inactivity and never see the ''your bot has been attacked 1 time(s)'' .. Whereas this time around, I get roughly 50 attacks each log, and a lot while I'm online. It's not a complaint, otherwise it'd be in that thread. It's a suggestion.
I just don't see why there isn't a system to do it now. Surely encouraging newer or less equipped players is a priority. If I'd never played this game before, spent hours getting enough for an armour to be stripped of it within seconds every single time without a single method of holding onto it besides ''making a better bot next time'', it would agitate me a little.
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Ender most used sentence for that generally:
In time when the player base is higher it will be different.
I paraphrased a bit. In short your in the first week of live bots4. Of course you get attacked alot.
Essentially it will make it too easy, bots is already as generally speaking. Furthermore it rules out what binds alot of players together - sharing the kudos. For example if you ever bother in joining the chat you can ask
"does anyone have kudos"?
And thats how some friendships started. Or why ppl join clans beyond wanting to be in a clan. Being in a clan has already limited appeal. Why do you want your bot to be attacked? Theres no more diplomacy so if your not the owner you even have less responsibility. If theres a kudos bank you even strip that kind of interaction between clan players or bots friends.
I could go on but..
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Okay, attempt No. 2 haha..
I pretty much forgot where I was going just now. But basically, going on what you just mentioned about there being like a 'player unity' thing with Kudos, and clans sort of being obsolete now that diplomacy is no more..
What about this method then. Not a player bank, but maybe a clan only bank. I'll use the treasury as an example;
When you enter a clan now, there isn't much you can do besides speak to other members, and go out and fetch energy. Which is basically what you just said, because there's no diplomacy now. But within a clan, there are still ranks - promoted players, through trust or performance etc. But these promoted players can't really do anything different to before. Why not make it possible to withdraw as well as deposit from the clan treasury ? And obviously make it an option in the 'permission matrix' so that only trusted players could do it.
In my eyes, that would drastically push up the whole point in being in a clan. Players would be more social, because they'd need to show a good enough character to be trusted with such a thing. Clans would get that 'player bond' you just mentioned. There'd be a lot more clan activity, energy farming, just for the ability to safeguard some hard earned cash etc..
Sorry if this all seems vague, I'm still in that angry mindset I just mailed you about hahah.
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Iam a big clan fan, so I like the idea, but essentially from an objective view this whilst is good for clan bonding its even more abusive than the other bank because in the other bank you yourself need to train it up. In this clan bank a lvl 200 could train it up and pass which is not banking but essentially kudos transfer.
Even if this was implemented it would have to be so severely restricted, it would almost make no difference.. Like a lvl 10 bot may only take 1000 kudos a lvl 100 bot only 10000 kudos..
On the other hand...
One could argue that kudos transfer essentially happens anyways the way I told you about, that someone goes in chat or a clan member helps you, which is also kudos transfer, just not as easy as a feature such as kudos transfers.
But then again one could argue that this is all just not noobfriendly and for veterans with connections will essentially always have kudos and the newbs dont.
And then comes lastly do we want this game to be noobfriendly? To what extend? Bots in its core is not noobfriendly, especially in the new energy system, where only the best bots survive.
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Well you pretty much just summed it all up yourself. The idea is good but not without some thought and tweaking, as with anything.
Obviously restrictions would have to apply, because people do find ways of abusing every system. But going back to my original post, the idea itself was to be able to deposit and withdraw YOUR money. No more, no less (with the exception of a fee) So the argument where a lv 200 would keep filling the bank for the noobs to feast on, could be deemed irrelevant. That noob, will put his own amount in, and at his own will, has the option to get it back.
If anything, it's a lot more 'fair' and less abusive than the system we have right now as you mentioned, with the whole ''anyone has kudos?'' thing.
You give and receive. Not receive, receive, receive.
Again, no advantages, other than being able to safeguard some hard earned cash at a small price.
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Or, you could only get out 10x what you put in.
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Just anything really. Some sort of formula would work I'm sure. I still haven't bought that Manic Cranium, because I can't find a beatable bot with the cash hahah..
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No, a bank is dumb, Kudos come and go sir,
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Again, no advantages, other than being able to safeguard some hard earned cash at a small price.
I heard that's called insurance.
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Come on now dragon, almost the first thing I wrote was:
I know we've got insurance already, but would a bank not be more beneficial to everyone ?
I'm not an invalid. I just think that it could be an idea. Getting a few million kudos is hard enough at this level if you haven't completed a build, and holding onto it is even harder when people are stripping you of it while you watch. ( sounded quite kinky actually )
Again, it's an idea.
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yes, its an idea that has been brought up multiple times and rejected.
~Hobo
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So log off, and buy insurance?
Or get a better bot that doesn't lose?
It is, sort of, a PvP game, and losing as well as losing kudos is part of the game.
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With suggestions that have been suggested before and with unpopular suggestions be always prepared for negative postings. Especially short ones.
But do not despair Ender happens to be one of the people that supports.. underdog ideas if you will.
But I still do not think this will happen really. I just took the time to explain it again which most ppl wont :P
But lastly, make other bots to support your main bot, that how most other people support their kudos hungry main bot. Or make some friends/join an active clan that helps its members.
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Yeah Ender seems to be a fan of making this game easier. Still, I really doubt he'd implement this idea, because there's no reason to.
A sort of bank does nothing that isn't already in the game in some form, why throw in redundancy?
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Dragon, with respect of course, this;
''So log off, and buy insurance?
Or get a better bot that doesn't lose?
It is, sort of, a PvP game, and losing as well as losing kudos is part of the game.''
Means you didn't read anything else I said. I was talking mainly about Kudos lost while online, because there's no protection for that, so the insurance thing is irrelevant. I also said it was an idea, rather than tell people to do exactly what you just said, and 'make a better bot'. And lastly, I said this wasn't a complaint, so you don't have to remind me that it's part of the game.
It was a suggestion, not for myself, but for anyone to poke at. How am I to know it's been brought up and rejected repeatedly? It wouldn't make the game easy by any means. I personally couldn't care less, I'm happy enough to keep rummaging for rich but weak bots (like I was myself) .. My point here : It would help out lower levels, and perhaps newer players as mentioned before. I'm sure you'd prefer a hefty amount of future competition, rather than a complete copy of how Bots2 turned out, with a select few people making armies of bots just for the sake of whoring and scoring - because there isn't a new player in sight to challenge.
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couldn't find it, but its probably in one of them, as you can see, its been suggested a few times, so again, No.
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tl;dr
No, there will not ever be a bank.
/Thread
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make a bot that can gain kudos easily and when you need them take them from that bot. :)
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Yeah Ender seems to be a fan of making this game easier
+1
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Can't be easy trying to balance a re-vamped game, with keeping both the older and newer players happy. I like what he's doing so far, and encourage any changes. Obviously this idea has been brought up time and time again, and there are a lot of people dead against it. I'll just take it back.
Those replying though, I assume are all veterans from BOTS2, in which case your opinions, despite being very valid, are also very biased. From what I understand, the majority of previous players prefer the game to be exactly how it used to be, without any changes.
Either way; Live a little guys. Don't be so uptight about change. A lot of people are quick to extinguish ideas on here before actually considering the positives as well as the negatives.
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No, nada, niet, nr, non, nein.
Get it yet? Kudos bank is a BAD IDEA! Us biased bots2 veterans are biased for a reason, I forget what it is but something along the lines of kudos bank is a bad idea, oh wait I didn't forget.
If you need kudos make two bots, one of them has int and is your bank, DONE.
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That's what I mean though, isn't that already defying the whole point in a game ? .. That's essentially cheating, and it's unofficially okay to do so. Again, I couldn't care less how it goes, but as far as legitimate suggestions go, I thought I'd make one.
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You see all those threads about banks? Notice we don't have a bank? That thread with ID 77 was made ~100 days ago. What makes your suggestion any better?
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The funny thing is, say you had a bank and you put all your precious >lvl 60 kudos in it, then you watched the showroom and a manic cranuim popped up, by the time you'd made a withdrawl someone would have bought it already.
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You´re right. That is funny.
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I play games for a challenge, to take me away from everyday life. If those games became insanely easier, I would not want to play them, because it would be so easy to win, then it would get boring. Taking away the challenge kills the game, and we aren't going to let that happen.
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Lmao Ninja.
And yeah you're totally right about that Skeith
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Ninja is me =) or one of many
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I don't see how it could possibly make the game easier. I know now that it wont be implemented; but if it was, who says you have to use it?
As with insurance, it would be completely optional. If you want your challenge, then don't ever use it. Same goes for insurance. Do you use that by any chance? Why not just forget about it, make it even more of a challenge.
Better yet, send a hate message out to hundreds of people so you get attacked more often: hard mode > extreme mode.
One step further, let's play blindfolded.
Point I'm making, this game can be as difficult, as challenging, or as easy as you make it, regardless of what features are here. Snubbing an idea that would be strictly optional because it would make the game easier, is a little ott. At the end of the day the idea was intended mainly to protect cash while online, not off. If anything it would discourage online attacking to an absolute minimum; and we all know how much people have complained about that over the years. Again, doesn't matter.
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well the amount of kudos you lose while online is severely lowered, so i dont see what validity your argument has, Bots has never had a bank will not in the foreseeable future. let it go. no bank.
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I explained the validity. It's fairly easy to strip an online bot of a lot of cash within minutes if the're showroom camping with half a build, as happened to me yesterday. Again it was a suggestion, not a request. I'm not asking for it.
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you are asking for it, as you are spending alot of time trying to convince people to want a bank. and im done telling you its not going to happen.
/thread(again)
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NO to kudos bank, but how about a chicken beef bank, where we can keep our chicken beef.
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i second a chicken beef bank.
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I don't expect you to tell me what I'm doing. I'm telling you I haven't requested it, and have also said previously that I couldn't care less. I've spent the last few comments correcting some assumptions about what I said initially, nothing to do with convincing others to want one. I also said I take the idea back, and then I said it didn't even matter.
If you want to input something valid in a post, be sure to read it first. Or if like make others you think tl;dr, then at least vent your negative views in a more polite, less ''I'm actually an ass hole'' way. The sarcasm, attitude, and hostility of some older players is laughable.
'/thread(again)'
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all i have to say to that is read all the previous bank suggestions. =)
~Hobo
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That was the response I would've hoped for, thank you, and since writing this thread ; I have done so, and realized it's a continuous suggestion, whereas I didn't know this before.
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with a quick browsing of the forum you could have avoided all this. thanks bye.
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It's hard to avoid the puddles of your forum vomit though, so i can't blame him.
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a quick browsing of the forum you could have avoided all this
I believe the last bank thread was started by a mindless drone who couldn't take 2 minutes to look for the other bank threads. It seems my prediction is coming true.
I predict at least 2 more bank threads before next month.
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That's like 'predicting' the sun will set tonight, and rise tomorrow ;)
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and i come on today to find another =) ALL HAIL SKEITH! Seer extraordinaire!
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