complaints

I have to complain about Eternal's means of getting energy. They created this clan http://bots4.net/clans/profile/452/Revenant and stacked good level 45-55 range bots with which they get energy and afterwards fight their own level 70-75 bots to get low xp and energy back .. this is sad really

there will always be whoring in one form or another it seems :|

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still it is not against the rules.

This has nothing to do with Eternal, it's all done by me (Rivan). And it's not like i'm doing anything wrong, it's basically just a roundabout way of xferring energy, it takes a lot of time, it just means i don't have to log on every hour to take the easy energy.

Okay. I thought I was being left out of some good shit. ^_^

Oh yes but it is wrong dragonrose, else ender would have made it possible to attack 20 levels lower bots and he obviously doesnt. Just do the math, 10 bots multiplied to an average of 1000 energy each, that's 10,000 daily easy energy, equals 300,000 a month on a single bot alone. Who knows how many of them are doing it. That being said, i finished my rant

This isn't Eternal doing it but rather one or two members.

Although I'm in Eternal I still don't like this technique, however, it is not against the rules.

And there's nothing stopping anyone else doing it.

http://bots4.net/forum/9/2033

Isn't like he is being very surreptitious about it.

just face it. people wanted real wars yet they still are making whores. stupid honestly.

+10 internetz for creativity for you Eternal. On a side note, I quit the energy competition, because there is absolutely no chance for me out there even though I fight every living target at every level I can get my hands on. Oh, and yeah Rivan, doesn't seem like it "took you too much time" to have those bots created since you payed for them.

enjoy your first place 2 years from now on, or until all of your team get really really bored

blame the people who made the bots they killed the energy race for a couple of bucks

This is why I just focus solely on wins instead of energy. :D

join my clan tamas!

The actual xferring of energy is what takes the time, putting aside the fact that i have to actually gain the energy in the first place, there's also the fact that i only give 8 energy for a loss, and every 3 fights i have to train 3 times to keep my armors intact. It's far slower than just fighting bots your own level, but it's easy, and i don't have to pay much attention to making sure the bot i'm fighting has energy or not. Which is the major factor, since i am always watching anime/movies when i play.

DEAL!

R.I.P. Ice Cream Surprise

If there is any honor in Eternal guild, they would remove members who are circumventing the system in such a manner. This may not be breaking the rules, but it is definitely breaking the spirit of the rules.

Circumventing the system? I was already no.1 in monthly energy before the bots were made, and i've never fought a 'real bot'. All i did was fight whores every hour. The only difference is it's the other way around now, with whores fighting me instead.

haha you're funny Esquire1. Ridiculous suggestion as Rivan has done nothing technically wrong.

Isn't like you can't do the same thing. It is possible, in the future, ender will disallow this. But he hasn't yet, so inc gravy train.

It's ok to fight your own bots? That doesn't seem quite right...

yes unfortunately it is legit. i would like ton know the names of the people who made the bots knowing that they would give eternal a bigger lead not that they need one. sold out they did

I dont see the problem... Everyone can attack those whored bots.

wiggin is aware it happens & has allowed it to continue.

There's some posts on the subject somewhere in the forum (cba to search) ...

As I understand it, he only whores them a little when he attacks himself.

They're perfect Blackrazors atm, people the same level as them aren't going to go more than 50/50 (which is also why they have alot of upkeep)

Like said above, if Ender would allow this, we could attack targets below our level. This is like circumventing the law through a flaw, not illegal but morally wrong. As this does indirectly affect us and every clan that is in direct competition, to waste more time using "for everyone at hand" ways to score whilst he(they) have an easier way due to stars (contribution outside the game)

I'm not saying he should stop it, but I surely will focus on other ways of playing bots and others will surely do as well when facing an unequal competition

Ya, i take off Demonic Circlet and Iron Pelt, if i don't i get so far behind in repairs i can't catch it up.

I'm a little baffled how the competition is so unequal. It's still 1 person, and i can only attack using 1 bot at a time. You can also do the exact same thing.

well sure you do, cause you have stars and are able to stock every whore bot with 2-3 stars for stash spaces. how's that for an "equal" competition and "how about everyone do it as well" others are blubbering about in previous posts

It's still 1 person

Yeah right; and my name is Popeye the Sailor

It isn't like he is doing anyone else can do. It's his choice to invest so much into the game.

What easy said.

And stop talking about 'morally wrong'. It isn't.

Btw, the stars aren't a necessity, just like on regular energy gaining bots they're there to make it a little easier (by reducing repair costs). An alternative if you don't have stars is to make the bots higher levels so they can win 1/10.

you should rename it, clan war -> stars war LOOL

If you all are so upset about it, go rape rivan's bot. When I recently made a conq axe bot it could handle his balance build.

not really. its more like he is buying out his energy. stars = stash space for his whores. stars cost cash. so like i said.....everyone in bots2 wanted real wars. fighting great builds against great builds, yet those people are the ones still using whores. in close, this just shows you who you really are. itch about whores on bots 2 and ask for real wars, then get real wars and you start using whores. next time dont ask for real wars and complain about whores is thats all you want to do in order to gain the edge on a game.

rant/rage done

-The Chance

It isn't like he is doing anyone else can do. It's his choice to invest so much into the game.

+1

If I offered 1 star a month to anyone who would score 100k energy for my clan monthly, and I won every month, would that be wrong? Some invest time, and some invest money.

I never asked for real wars, just fyi. The energy change is cool, but i still have no interest fighting 'real bots' particularly since if you want to compete at my level you're pigeonholed into 1 build.

Cheat... and people bitch, follow the rules... and people bitch.

just nature for people I guess... bitch and moan over everything, no matter how non-issue it is.

not everyone wanted real wars, i've been pretty much against it from the start.

however i do applaud wiggin for trying something so very different to cs in bots2.

you should rename it, clan war -> stars war LOOL

I seriously laughed so hard that I spilled milk on my keyboard.

I don't mind real wars, it's just the fact that you level so quickly out of range of the easy bots too. Right now the optimal energy scoring range is in the 60's but if you do a full 100 rape and got 50-50 on a bot with a 3.0+ ratio....you level up. -_-

i agree. nothing has changed from bots2 as far as people complain and ask for shit they wanted to have done to the game and now dont like it and go back to whoring.

I seriously laughed so hard that I spilled milk on my keyboard.

Me too my friend, I barely was able to write it due to bursts of laughter

you guys are easily entertained :)

I would suggest that everyone bitching consider building something similar to that. It's not like it's something totally groundbreaking. I'm sure dozens of people thought of it. I know I did, about less than thirty minutes after understanding the new energy system. The reason not everyone is doing it is because it takes time and effort (or stars) to build such a valuable "resource." So, haters gonna hate, bitches gonna bitch, and the ones who have the will to compete will, either by the same method or another, perhaps as of now undiscovered way.

That´s cute.

I would suggest that everyone bitching consider building something similar to that. It's not like it's something totally groundbreaking. I'm sure dozens of people thought of it. I know I did, about less than thirty minutes after understanding the new energy system. The reason not everyone is doing it is because it takes time and effort (or stars) to build such a valuable "resource." So, haters gonna hate, bitches gonna bitch, and the ones who have the will to compete will, either by the same method or another, perhaps as of now undiscovered way.

fixe'd

So, haters gonna hate, bitches gonna bitch, and the ones who have the money to compete will

oh yes give us real wars not this fighting whores like bots2. now lets build whores and put stars on them so we can unwhore them when we arent using them for energy. ok now since we can log on 5 bots at a time, everyone in the clan do this. sure sounds like fair or bitching to me. fight a bot on your lvl that isnt whored or an int bot, thats what real wars are to be.

oh and Jans and other oldschool players don't seem to be affected mainly because they are not into clan wars. Sure it's easy to read the forum and tell stories

eh.. i pretty much came up with the idea?

a quick fix of this symptom would be to dose the energy received/given according to a formula that counts your level and your ratio. Higher ratio/level bots, higher the amount of energy received.

also, this 'flaw' was already discussed in the very thread that discussed the new energy system, in february; http://bots4.net/forum/4/216

last time i checked Jans did and then many people from rapture and many other top clans pushed for ender to make a real wars score on his site. but look at that back to fighting whores again.

The real winner here is Ender and his fat wallet.

yup therefore he wont do a damn thing about any of this

I dont think real wars would be very interesting with everyone in the same level range having practically the same builds cough scarabs, blackrazors, frozen, answerers, etc cough

um but there are people that freak the builds so not all builds at those lvls are the same.

I wish people would understand why "true Real Wars" will never work.

Lets face it. The "skill" involved in this game is and always has been a minimal factor. Its not like every fight you have to do this and that and, make a "right click" and block a blow, click at an exact millisecond and land a critical. You click, and the game computes who wins. Based on what? Your builds.

Builds are numbers. Numbers you put in. And, because the game is built like that, there is always a "right answer." Of course, sometimes, the accepted "right answer" is not the true right answer, right before the advent of freaked builds for example. In BOTS2, 80 Answerers were the BEST Level 80 bots. Now perfect 80 Answerers are not. There is a myriad of freaked builds you can try out, but you can bet your balls that there is still a "right answer."

Builds are numbers. Numbers can be copied. The first guy who built an 80 answerers had his fun sure, but only until everyone else at his level was an 80 answerers as well.

So you see the problem. The solution is obvious; there IS NO SOLUTION. If you are disatissfied with this, than play another game.

By the way, since I used 80 Answerers as an example so extensively, pardon my ignorance if it is actually not the right answer. What do I know. =P

This isn't a big deal.

The actual xferring of energy is what takes the time, putting aside the fact that i have to actually gain the energy in the first place

I would have hoped this was more obvious to people. This tactic doesn't change anything about the fact that he still has to take the energy from other bots. And then on top of that, you still have to do the transfer. All in all, it's a time consuming process.

If anything, the real issue here is that it's possible to "permanently" move energy away from someone by transferring it to a different level range. This is already sort of a problem with higher level bots currently having no recourse (until revenge is added) against being attacked by lower level bots.

The real winner here is Ender and his fat wallet.

yup therefore he wont do a damn thing about any of this

I really do not appreciate snide, dismissive remarks like these that paint me as a greedy admin who has no regard for the welfare of the game. I spend vacation time coding, I read and am active on the game forums daily, and respond to all bmails quickly. That's more than you can say of most game admins. This game is my passion and I worked on it for over a year before accepting donations, so for you guys to paint me that way hurts. BU has been online for nearly 6 years and has always operated at a loss. You don't get into this business for the money.

so for you guys to paint me that way hurts.

Don't worry, we love you Ender. :)

Attacking your own bots is allowed?

so for you guys to paint me that way hurts.

Don't worry, we love you Ender. :)

+1

Attacking your own bots is allowed?

Yes.

Because of the difficulty of enforcing this sort of rule, I've instead tried to design the game in a way that limits the benefits of attacking your own bots. As evidenced by this thread though, there will always be some benefit. I'm willing to change this policy if people think it would improve the game overall.

Regarding the difficulty of enforcement, bots2 prevented it from happening by not allowing an attack against a bot if your current IP matched the last known IP of that bot. This was easily circumvented with the use of proxies. Proxies can in turn by combated by a more restrictive policy such expanding the IP range to a 30 day period or something instead of using just the last known IP. There would still be ways around even this for careful/advanced users though, not to mention just having two players cooperating.

Attacking your own bots is allowed?

It isn't disallowed.

And ender, I hope you don't take the voice of one guy that describes you in a poor light as what the majority of people think of you. There will always be nay-sayers no matter what

luv u

Yeah, I definitely realize this has been an enormously supportive community and I do truly appreciate that.

My reply was specifically meant for CheerPuppy and The Chance.

Proxies can in turn be* combated by a more restrictive policy such as* expanding the IP range to a 30 day period or something instead of using just the last known IP. There would still be ways around even this for careful/advanced users though, not to mention just having two players cooperating.

I think this would discourage those that self-fight and in turn resolve a lot of issues. It would also encourage those to cooperate more with people in their clans. I think this is a great idea, and a very good beginning.

I'm sorry that it has come to this, not Ender's fault for sure.
But it definitely spoiled the fun gathering energy for the clan, for me. Hf

FYI, CheerPuppy apologized in private. His post was meant as a compliment as in "the game is successful, therefore Ender will make more money" and I apparently misunderstood.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzC4hFK5P3g

there ed, take a dose of your own medicine!

I have a sudden urge to play DDR.

Tons of players were crying about whores (and how they sucked at csing of course), and now, some of you are guarding whore-raper. Pretty funny to see this :)

im not really hear to knock on you and how you run your game ender. i was simply raging on how people asked for one thing from bots2 to happen in bots4, the real wars. if all people did was bitch about how they have 89721938739 whores in 1 clan that only 1 other clan has to attack from and gain more cs that anyone could possibly get then why are they doing it here? granted everyone can attack those bots but they wont be whores, they will only be whores for when someone from eternal is online and able to attack that bot. in the long run of this, people asked for real wars and got it, then started back to things they hated in bots2, making whores for themselves. so what lvl 80 answerers is the so called perfect build. how many people at lvl 80 use freaked build? how many people dont use a freaked build? how many people dont use anaswerers at lvl 80 at all? theres so many ways around saying all builds are the same, when there are many ways to build a bot a lvl 80, no just answerers.

again sorry for the rage at you Ender, im glad you made bots4 what it is now and doing all this out of your heart.

forgiveness or not i've said all i have to say to everyone.

-The Chance

I still think people are missing the point here. This is not whoring. It's something completely different. Rivan's still going through the work of obtaining energy from real bots. It's what he's doing after this that is questionable.

he take a good build on a bot lower lvl gets energy on it lets say l;vl 60 for example, get 1-2k energy on it then whores it and attacks a higher lvl bot of his. thus making it a never ending cycle

Right, I get that. That's not whoring. That's clever (though perhaps questionable) use of game mechanics to transfer energy from one level range to another.

Part 1 is questionable. Part 2, where Rivan admits whoring his own bot so the other can beat it, is the very definition of whoring. That, is cheating.

Which goes back to the bigger problem of not having enough energy/targets in the higher ranges.

shouldnt be allowed tho. thats not even close to what real wars is supposed to be about. i think the IP with banning of Proxies should work. there is a way to not allow access to the game using a proxy.

Which goes back to the bigger problem of not having enough energy/targets in the higher ranges.

Level 70 is the higher ranges? Hardly, it's just Rivan does not want to attack good bots, instead picking on weaklings.

Possible solution: Energy taken from opponent is a percentage of their current energy. This pretty much forces people to attack the best bots.

You rape 2 good bots and you level up. 10 rapes later you are level 80 wondering where all your targets are.

i second that actually. good idea ^

Energy taken from opponent is a percentage of their current energy. This pretty much forces peiople to attack the best bots.

This sucks for people who spent a lot of time getting little bits of energy from small targets. Then you come along, and take a huge chunk with one fight.

Also, this 'its not fair' business is getting really tiresome. You don't like Rivan's tactic? ATTACK HIS LOW LEVEL BOTS AND TAKE AWAY HIS ENERGY BEFORE HE CAN PASS IT ON. He can't be online with 20 bots at once.

jans, he uses his low lvl bots to attack his bots that are 10-20 lvls higher than the lows. >.>

Yes, i know. Duh

leave the logic reasoning elsewhere Jans! people would rather just bitch about a non-issue then do that!

lol....

basically not doing a real war for his energy. thats the problem

Actually, I think it is your complaining that is the problem.

+1

im just going with the thread topic.

ALL IT TAKES IS TO CREATE 1 (ONE!!!) BOT THE SAME LOW LEVEL AS HIS BOTS, AND STRIP THEM FROM THEIR ENERGY EVERY HOUR!

See what you people are making me do? Im typing like Erica ffs. Rivan is putting a lot of time and effort into this, this is by no means 'easy scoring' for him.

well, you see Jans, this is where your plan is flawed. If I attack his energy bots with an equal level bot, I will most probably level up after 100-150 fights at most, after i would be like 50/50 (since he obviously uses the best build at that level). So I'll have to build another bot, just to attack him 100 times more and steal 500 at most, which is more time consuming than it was for him.

That being said, there's nothing we can do about it, unless we would be able to attack them with higher level bots

So, are you telling me, since he has more than 1 bot you would have to also create more than 1 bot to stay the same level? OMG OMG OMG

People always want to bend the rules to give themselves an advantage. That's not new information. In an environment where the admin is active and listens to the community, the only subject that really arises is whether or not the community wishes to accept this behavior as a legit tactic or not.

thank you skipper. finally someone put it so a monkey could understand

...

I give up ;)

I find this too entertaining for my health.

As you might have seen in the previous month, Eternal won with a crushing lead and will again this month and many months to come. Is this tactic legit? maybe yes. It this overpowered? of course, just look at their team and see how many stars they have at hand (100? maybe 150?)

"what? i have to build bots to win this game? fuck that shit..."

you find it quite easy to talk about this subject since you aren't directly involved in the competition of clans (either you don't care about it or you just don't find it interesting). If it was you who would have spent all your time attacking every target in your range with all the bots at hand and would have been beaten to such an extend, I'm pretty sure you would have had something against it

I hope you aren't talking to me.

Also 'what!? stars help you play the game? fuck that'

I find it quiet easy to talk about because it's people making excuses for why Eternal is beating them instead of doing something about it.

so Jans.. why did FloR block attack from the same IP, if that's SOO legit? huh? someone didn't think something through here

you find it quite easy to talk about this subject since you aren't directly involved in the competition of clans (either you don't care about it or you just don't find it interesting). If it was you who would have spent all your time attacking every target in your range with all the bots at hand and would have been beaten to such an extend, I'm pretty sure you would have had something against it

I AM INVOLVED AND NO I DO NOT HAVE ANYTHING AGAINST THIS. I PREDICTED THIS 6 MONTHS AGO.

Now stop your incessant whining, it makes it hard to masturbate to this.

Now stop your incessant whining, it makes it hard to masturbate to this.

Old man! I've already finished and considering round 2

@skipper: irrelevant

floR=/=Ender

@easy: i'm not done within a minute and a half like you youngsters

I think this thread met it's purpose and we should stop making Jans mad.
My clan and I aren't such a big loss, I shall now assume that Eternal is just better and leave the spot to someone else that is more willing to "try" and beat their energy scoring skills.

@Draoi: i suppose you could try it with a woman.. dunno.. more fun i guess

this thread has now been porn hijacked

umad?

I'm not mad. Sleep deprived and a little horny maybe. But not mad.

This thread covers all human emotions. Quite beautiful really, isnt it?

ya it is

Jans[81] ... I give up ;)

I screen-caped this, just in case =]

I like the ;) face

basically not doing a real war for his energy. thats the problem

The Chance, if you think this game is about real wars then you're just... wrong. I'm fairly certain almost noone who has a decent amount of energy goes around attacking 'real' bots.

Part 1 is questionable. Part 2, where Rivan admits whoring his own bot so the other can beat it, is the very definition of whoring. That, is cheating.

I don't whore my bot so the other can beat it... i whore it to reduce repair costs.

I'm fairly certain almost noone who has a decent amount of energy goes around attacking 'real' bots.

qft

I don't whore my bot so the other can beat it... i whore it to reduce repair costs.

pam pam

damn, this thread got waaaay to long in a short time...

That's what she said

And dont stop now, i'm not done yet!

Just thought of something. There might be a big difference in interpretation of what the energy system should accomplish.

I can't speak for Ender, but when i suggested "clanscore should be a limited resource" many moons ago, the mean reason behind it was to stop cheaters. And by cheaters i mean autoclickers. And by autoclickers i mean fuckheads who just switch on their computer, load a list of targets, and walk away. Or watch porn. Whatever they do all day.

Clanscore in Bots2 was unlimited. And on top of that, whores were exclusive property. If you had enough whoreclans, you could clanscore endlessly. If you raped whore X with bot A, you simply logged on to bot B and start over.

Cheaters made the game impossible to win for normal people, who cant compete against automated scripts. This killed Bots2.

Bots4 got rid of these two things; yes you can create whores, but they're not yours exclusively. And you cant kill the same target over and over and still expect to get a reward for it. It's drained, go look for another.

This doesn't mean people aren't still using autoclickers. They probably do. But their advantage over the
non-sad people isn't as huge anymore.

And yes, as a bonus the energy system should provide more variety in the game, stimulating real fights, discouraging pushover whore fights. But it was never intended to outlaw whoring altogether. The purpose was to make energy scarce, a limited resource. You have to put time and effort into getting it. And holding on to it! And that's exactly what Rivan and others are doing.

tl;dr

bastard :)

we've come this far with this thread, surely a couple of dozen words more wont hurt ;)

Okay, fine...I did read it. Makes sense ;p

I agree with a lot of what you just said Jans and that's a large part of why I like the new energy system too. There's a reason why the only convicted cheater in bots4 so far was HoF #1 level and not HoF #1 energy. Hint: It wasn't because he preferred leveling.

People that want to win in any game are always going to go for the path of least resistance in obtaining whatever resource will get them to the top. It wouldn't make sense for them to do anything else besides this. This often results in clever/unintended/questionable use of game mechanics. My job is to (1) make sure this path isn't through automation and to (2) address unintended uses of game mechanics.

As for what's going on here, I'm still not convinced it falls under the "questionable" category of use of game mechanics. As I've stated here ad infinitum now, Rivan still has to actually obtain the energy through normal means in the first place himself. It's the way he's transferring energy after this that should be discussed.

Obviously there are people that like the new system, otherwise we wouldn't be seeing 80+ players online at peak times everyday. What we're seeing here is very likely just the vocal minority.

Fuck you all who spammed the last bit of this thread you wasted a few minutes of my life :) (that was all those posts around an hour ago, it took my a while to write this..)

Anyway Ender has already posted in this thread and explained his way. As many people said before he allows it, its not lets say 100% fair and square, but then again stars in itself are not 100% fair and square.

Now this is gonna be long but you might understand a bit more if you read all this shits:

Lets get the the next few points. I have pointed this flaw out alot of times. Eternal actually HAS HAD fought two clans similar in this operation before and WON

Lots of NON OPEN BETA players do not know it, but ALL of the beta players should know that in MONTH MAY, which may I add, is currently the highest total monthly energy gained by any clan so far, there was exactly this issue coming up and Eternal (well me), complained about it. Basically Rivan, Bazza (Mr. Grey/various other Mr.Color names/Bazza/Tomato, from here onwards called Bazza) were the clans Ascendance and Reservoir Dogs. Both clans started out interdependently fighting against Eternal. Of note to say is that in that month all three clans had full membership.

Eternal had in that month 16-17 unique players, meaning around 3 players were allowed to have 2 bots in the clan. Reservoir Dogs had 1 player - Bazza, (basically a clan made of 20 bots by one player, similarly how gradol is made up now, Ascendance had around 3-4 players, the rest all being Rivan's or Kerrod/Blitz bots. As you can see all of these three players are currently under the Eternal tag. That is not my point, but basically when Eternal hit around the 300k total monthly energy mark, Ascendance and Reservoir Dogs had around 200k energy, when basically I can't say for sure, but I think Ascendance and Reservoir Dogs basically figured out that they need to join teams in order to beat Eternal. So then in the next day we saw around 4-5 bots from Bazza joining Ascendance clan AND SELF RAPING ALL THE ENERGY FROM RESERVOIR DOGS TOWARDS ASCENDANCE. What I mean with that is all of the energy from those 20 bots by Bazza himself where he had at least around 10k energy on each of those bots, were firstly getting raped by Ascendance, then they were selfraped by Bazza onto bots from Ascendance, henceforth transfer all energy to one single clan- Ascendance. Essentially you were fighting not ONE clan, but TWO clans, with a total membership of 5 players max, that had a total of essentially *40 bots** (since they were transferring energy). Lets say I wasn't too thrilled like you and talked to Ender about it. As he said here himself the basic argument was:

THE GOLDEN RULE If you spent more time on this than others to beat someone all the more power to you (so long your not cheating such as Autoclickers/scripts). For example thats why its not banned to have 1 clan full of 20 bots by yourself:

Complaint: Every clan that is below gradol can argue similar shit saying its unfair we have 20 unique members and are below this guy who has 20 bots by himself!
Answer: But it took him ALOT of time therefore its okay.

Complaint: They are transferring energy between their own bots.
Answer: They still need to build all those bots, maintain it, gather the energy, and then raping it to their main bot. That is firstly the time to make and camp the bot (or buy it), gather the energy first, then rape it back, which is double rape basically (as u need to rape other bots first then your own), and that unlike whore clans in bots2 with diplomacy any other bot may try to take the energy if he likes or can.

I am not saying I am highly fond of this. As I said I was highly against it during Month May in Open Beta, but Eternal still won the month damn those two people :P I complained once to Ender via IRC, (Iam sure he still remembers it), but I shut up after that one complaint and made sure Eternal won that month regardless. Therefore I'd say its still possible to win even with this, and Eternal did not practice that in month may whereas Ascendance did. This is how game mechanics works, some play call it unfair, some may call it genius. I wont condemn my own players for it, as I recruited Rivan and Bazza, knowing we fought against it in Month May. Divide and conquer your enemies, if it fails recruit them into it, if that fails, seduce them into it is my logic. Final Awakening in blue has always been a merger clan, sustained through new mergers, sustained through fresh blood, Eternal is the same. We are a clan that finds new ways of winning, its not always honorable to all eyes, if your a top clan, you rarely are the shiny star in everyones eyes. I have kicked Digitron out of my clan when he was suspected cheating immediately, so one cannot say that we contain or harbor cheaters. Thats all.

Disclaimer: Its 6am so I'm not gonna be liable for any typos, grammar mistakes, or that kind of shit :)

So would reducing the allowed amount of bots you are authorized to attack at a given level reduce this to a certain extent?

Also make whoring your bot even more difficult to discourage people from attacking themselves with lesser equipment. If I am correct, the requirements that are imposed on us for armors at the moment aren't for uniques but only non-uniques?

So.. you had an exciting month in May. And you won. What's the problem exactly? ;) I'm being serious btw. You had to fight hard for your victory, and you won. Isn't that what it's all about?

If they had won, it would have been fine too. If you can manage to outperform 15 people with just 3 guys, you're doing something right. If you can get another clan to cooperate with you, form an alliance, you're doing something right as well.

Good work both :)

Disclaimer: Its 6am so I'm not gonna be liable for any typos, grammar mistakes, or that kind of shit :)

You used 'basically' like 6 times. Threw me off :P

Yes dropping armor at this moment is only on non-uniques. But thats hardly the point, it doesnt make any bot below level 80 much easier to fight, only above lvl80+ when you equip greyform and those low level armors it makes a point. Like yes, Greyform on a lvl 50 is still weak if you fight a perfect bot, but with perfect stats and weapons (since u cannot equip crabs after lvl 50), its still a hard bot to beat if your not perfect close to perfect and Rivan bots are around that level range.

To limit how many bots you can fight is a limitation. Ender has always been against limitations too much, its gonna be tough to implement. Its more likely to backfire because Rivan is using multiple bots to attack, therefore if you were limiting each bot to say attacking 5 bots (just exaggerating to emphasis on the example), Rivan isnt using the same bot all the time therefore it will limit like other players who'd attack 20 bots for 20 energy every hour. If you IP ban it, its circumvented via proxys and vpns.

Basically theres always an unfairness. You can argue stars are unfair. You can argue that I have collected some of the greatest bots2/bots4 players, if you know the players in my clan some of them have played 5+ years since bots2. Actually most of them have. I count at least 12 members who have a 100k+ energy potential in this current system. Not many players can say that. Then Eternal is the highest donator clan. You could say I purposely did that. To be honest, Rivan and Kerrod/Blitz, and you can ask them yourself, have been members of my clan since like 2003-2004. They were two lone wolves that I approached and recruited and helped and semi taught bots back then. But my point is you may systematically always say Eternal is targeting specific players with stars and abusing that, but not all of that is so. We are powerful, but probably still beatable if not every other 100k+ energy scorer wants to make his own clan. If Madagascar, gradol, Seven Stars, Rapture, and even Atreides wished they could make us really compete. As I said, in Month May clan rank 2 and 3, they BANDED together and Bazza/Mr Grey WILLINGLY WHORED his own good bots to make Ascendance try and overtake Eternal (now thats a fighting spirit) and joined his bots to Ascendance, willingly loosing 50kish energy on one or two bots, then its possible.

Now is the question, do you as a clan owner have that diplomacy skills? Cause I combined the top 3 clans of Month May into mine. Am I to blame for this? Or do you applaud my negotiation skills? Its not all about clicking energy per hour. I dont click it that much. Maybe my stars helped. But Rivan and Blitz dont have a single star on them from me. Its their own. Bazza has 6 stars from me, alot of the others have stars from me. But this thread is mostly about Rivan I guess. So no, its not purely who clicks more. You need to have some good diplomacy skills too.

@Jans: Yes but May is basically what this same thing happened, and if I didnt explain that to them, they might not realise that its possible to win something like that.. Since he complained Iam very sure he has not played in that month. Hence the big explanation. Like dragonrose said earlier, it has been discussed before, probably by me. Alot of the forums are explaining things over and over again, answering the same questions because of a lack of search and because new players join who don't know what happened in the past. You can see the statistics of month may, but you cannot see the workings behind it.

tl;dr

Eh Sera, before you started, this wasnt really a bitch against Eternal/you as stated in one of the first posts >.<

Yeah, but then again, it has in the topic Eternal, in the first few posts Eternal, therefore it must be addressed to some point.

The rest are mostly just to show its possible to beat this, as it happened in May. Most people will still argue its impossible to beat this, as Shadowfiend continually said its possible to beat it. Therefore a comprehensive answer was needed to show it was possible.

*impossible

The rest are mostly just to show its possible to beat this, as it happened in May.

Really? Eternal lost May? That's hardly what the screenshot you posted earlier would indicate.

Shut this thread down. Damn.

Shut your mouth. Damn. This thread has actual points.

Kenorb quote:

The rest are mostly just to show its possible to beat this, as it happened in May. Really? Eternal lost May? That's hardly what the screenshot you posted earlier would indicate.

Im guessing your mentioning to my impossible correction. its suppose to be here:

Yeah, but then again, it has in the topic Eternal, in the first few posts Eternal, therefore it must be addressed to some point.

The rest are mostly just to show its possible to beat this, as it happened in May. Most people will still argue its impossible to beat this, as Shadowfiend continually said its IMpossible to beat it. Therefore a comprehensive answer was needed to show it was possible.

And this is why we need edit :D

ok lets just some this thread up and put it this way. if you want to get 1st you need to buy 100+ stars. am i right? oh and put some time in building bots for you to whore and unwhore and putting stars on those bots. point? you have no outside life. done!

tl;dr - Stars help you, the more you play the better you do, be creative in your gameplay.

Random idea based on the questionable demeanour Ender wishes to discuss: Why not lower the amount of levels that a bot can attack higher than its own level? I mean, if a level 68 bot can only attack 5-8 levels higher than itself, it is theoretically drawing from the same targets that the player's main bot (say a level 72) is. This would discourage this technique a little bit as you may as well just get the energy on your main bot instead of wasting time on your secondary whore.

Just an idea.

I forgot what I wanted to say because this thread was way to long.

I blame Rivan.

Final Orders, whats your point? That players don't have a life? Sure most people here are probably willing to say they do not have a life or they play it at work, or they enjoy watching movies and play the game. Whatever your reason is they still put a lot more effort and time than you if they are beating you.

That is the point that Ender is making. If someone puts more time and effort in and its not autoclicking or some other script, then they deserve to beat you.

As for stars its always been an advantage to someone else. If someone is willing to put 100 US dollars towards bots instead of buying a pair of new clothes or anything else, its your own fault that you become jealous to them, why don't you spent some? Its not like stars are exclusively to us and it helps the game. If your not working then don't even try to go that way, most of us work to spent that hard earned money therefore we may do what we want and its part of the feature of this game.

Regarding lower the amount of bots you can attack - thats somewhat limiting again, almost making it to the point of punishing other players, because you forget IDLE energy. That means if you make this restriction, yes it almost makes more sense just to get energy on your main bot, but anyone who does not own another clan with 20x perfect bots, will not be able to compete in any case, as the person with 20xperfect bots will have 20x480 = 9600 idle energy if they do not loose any of it. Maybe even more if they win some off other bots through offline attacks. All you need to do is make the bots to be in your level range rather than 10 levels below your level range. Yes Rivan made his bots a bit lower, therefore he can get it from both on his main bot and from his lower bots, but essentially, hes not really farming alot on his main bot due to competition in that range. But if you make it all the same range, all he has to do is level up his bot, wait, transfer. You restrict him yes, but you restrict others = equal to what we have now, but with well.. more restriction.

Blaming someone who finds something that makes him have an advantage is not really the problem. Theres always something that someone can find. Do you blame the people who have more knowledge of perfect builds who will win all the fights against someone whos knew? Essentially its the same cause having 20x bots is just a matter of time, someone whos knew will in time learn all the perfect builds if he sticks around. Its the way this game works, to change it you will have to change the game.

this made me laugh.

sera - stop making so much sense, you're frightening the ignorants

I blame Sera for my missing about seven showroom refreshes. Going back to camping now.

Ha.

@Whoever started this thread:

Bitch moan and complain all you want, Rivan has done nothing wrong here, he's just smarter and willing to put more effort in than you are. Oh and his ethics are obviously different than yours.

Plus you're fundamentally wrong about most of what you said. The main thing I want to correct (as the rest has been corrected, vehemently) is that MOST BOTS2 PLAYERS DIDN'T WANT REAL WARS. I should know, I did and was damn vocal about it at one point. I got 12Monkeys to do it and Ender helped by recording the months but NOBODY WANTED REAL WARS.

@easy VIDEO RESPONSE

I don't get it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DksSPZTZES0

Clever use of game mechanics and Rivan is not the only one doing this. It's just a result of the current system.

Nothing wrong, nothing to see. Time to move on to the next thing to bitch about? :)

Funny how everyone is so jealous of someone who is bothered to put the time/effort into the game to benefit themselves more than others it's pathetic really, spend lest time whining more time working and you might be able to compete.

sure Megan Fox, just buy me 10 stars so I can buy myself some whore bots via market section, in the meantime, piss off

QQ more Skipper. It's not against the rules, the admin of the game has said so. Whether you agree with it or not means sweet fuck all.

you are the one being pathetic here, if he wishes to pay for that shit, let him. His life, his cash.

Whining about him spending money is just stupid. Nobody is stopping you from doing the same, you just choose not to.

Well maybe you should just go play a game where you can't hire people to play for you and you can't use a credit card to buy improvements, yeah good luck with that.

"more effort done" was the reason why all of bots2 community were crying, now you're okay with this. Make up your mind once and for all.

I was talking to Mega Fox who thinks this is a time dependent ability, which it was shown above that is not, since he payed for the whore bots and didn't spend time building them. now stop arguing, lowbirds

I don't understand what you mean by "more effort done"

more clicks, more time spent on the game and so on

getting energy on the bots and transferring is actually time dependent aswell, so I don't see your point you lowbird.

This is 'Megan Fox' by the way, until you actually put the effort/time/money into it stop being a dick and do it yourself, it's always easy to sit back, point the finger, and whine say he's cheating and so on, the option of paying people to build bots is open to anyone and everyone.

well you surely can't argue that if anyone was willing to pay, let's say 1000 euro to hire 10 bot builders and 19 players to whore them and fight them/keep them updated, there wouldn't be a real competition anymore. Hence, this is something similar but at a lower scale.

If someone wants to invest that much money into the game to win then good for them. It's not something I would do, but if that's what they want to do to win then to each their own.

i'm trying to point out that he isn't spending more time on bots that any of the competitors (if we're talking in "i spend more time than you = more dedicated" terms):

Rivan: [1 hour, 21 minutes, 15 seconds per day

Shadowfiend: [6 hours, 5 minutes, 42 seconds per day]

gr33n: [1 hour, 17 minutes, 43 seconds per day]

You get it?

Actually, Rivan and gr33n bots were made on closed beta stage and Shadowfiend was made after official release.

If you actually think that, then you are retarded. Just because the time isn't on his main bot doesn't mean it doesn't happen. What sort of moronic logic is that?

open beta*

Also, ^ that. Online times are irrelevant for any bot made before release.

And you have to take the time Rivan spends on his low levels into account as well ;)

By the way; die thread! DIE!

Ok, let's just say that they spend equal time online = equally determinate to win. How come there is such a huge lead for first place if only online spent time counts?

They don't spend equal time online. So your point is irrelevant. Go away now.

Bumping thread, 15 seconds already and noon posted

DON'T YOU 404 ON ME

Bumping thread, 15 seconds already and noon posted

DON'T YOU 404 ON ME

*click

Double post ftl. Also, LOOK WHAT YOU HAVE CREATED!!

• suffocates thread with bare hands *

DIE!

Online time isn't the only thing that counts obviously.

Oh noes!

Oh noes!

Oh noes!

Oh noes!

*kicks thread repeatedly in the head *

Control yourselves people, wtf.

teehee Jans, nice html

if (jans == 0) {
    bots = 0;
}

when it's a single result, you don't need { } :P

if (id==1){
    hp +=1000;
}

this makes me lol

best.... thread .... EVOR

Quoting that online time just showed your ignorance so badly its not funny.

shitstorm and lulz have been had, trolled softly

And you keep talking about Rivan as if he would make a difference. Without Rivan we still win over rank 2 very comfortably, so whats your point? All of us do it? Certainly not. Whats the difference between having 20 bots in one clan and winning the clan race?

Whats the difference between having 20 bots in one clan and winning the clan race?

I dunno, tell me :) #soundslikeajoke

Jans you should be put to sleep.. ehm.. I mean go to sleep you seem tired

You guys are a whining bunch... on my other bot, i'm #1 in total Energy. However, i have not used any of these techniques, never attacked one of my own bots and did not use a kudo whore. How did i get #1? Just by regular means. The result? I have 60.000 more energy than Rivan. Now stop whining about his tactics and get off your lazy asses!

It looks like Saiyan is doing this now as well and without stars on the whore, so I guess it goes to show you don't need to donate in order to do something like this.

Get off my lazy ass?

But I just got my poopsock!

200th \o/

Hmm .. Grey area for me.

I agree that it takes a considerable amount of time and effort, perhaps money to do. The commitment is there.

But everything is fine until the part where you have to beat, or lose to, your own bot to transfer the energy. In my eyes, that should be against the rules.

You know both builds, you created both (assuming you did ofc), you can swap and adjust the builds to accomodate your ability to beat that bot. Essentially, this is like asking real targets, to dumb their build down a little to make them beatable for a short period of time. It wouldn't happen that way, so why should it be able to this way ?

I think at least if you wanted to do this method, then you should have other clan members attack your bot instead of you doing it. It may seem just as pointless, but it would make a difference. The other clan members would have to rely on Rivan being online for example, before he can modify the builds and render the bot rapable. It also stops powerhouses like him making armies of bots, and fighting them all himself. (powerhouse meant in a complementary way)

I can't really explain what I'm getting at, but basically I think it should be allowed, and transferrable to eachother due to the effort put in ; but not from your own bot, by you.

Fyi I am also doing it without stars on the energy dumping bot. It's not as hard as some people seem to think...

I don't understand the "he's only winning because of how much time he puts into the game" argument. What else would the case be? Would you prefer a game where someone can walk in, play for an hour, and beat everyone else? Everyone knows this isn't a skill/twitch-based game like CounterStrike. It's a text-based robot fighting game. Playing more is going to give you an advantage and this should not be news.

On a side note, Ender, how do you not have the "Met Ender" achievement? Don't you ever talk to yourself?

I agree with a lot of what Sphinx just said. I slept on this and I'm leaning towards implementing the 30 day IP rule I mentioned above. It would still be possible to circumvent this by (1) being very careful about which connections you use for which bots or by (2) coordinating with other people, but overall this would make it much harder to pull off the "questionable" energy transfer that was done here. This also makes it less trivial to level up a second bot because currently you can just whore your first bot for easy exp. This way at least you would have to coordinate with a friend if you really wanted an exp whore. FYI, You'd be surprised how common it is for online browser games to limit players to one account, much less allow interactions between those accounts.

This

Hmm .. Grey area for me.

I agree that it takes a considerable amount of time and effort, perhaps money to do. The commitment is there.

But everything is fine until the part where you have to beat, or lose >to, your own bot to transfer the energy. In my eyes, that should be >against the rules.

You know both builds, you created both (assuming you did ofc), you can >swap and adjust the builds to accomodate your ability to beat that >bot. Essentially, this is like asking real targets, to dumb their >build down a little to make them beatable for a short period of time. >It wouldn't happen that way, so why should it be able to this way ? I think at least if you wanted to do this method, then you should have >other clan members attack your bot instead of you doing it. It may >seem just as pointless, but it would make a difference. The other clan >members would have to rely on Rivan being online for example, before >he can modify the builds and render the bot rapable. It also stops >powerhouses like him making armies of bots, and fighting them all >himself. (powerhouse meant in a complementary way)

I can't really explain what I'm getting at, but basically I think it >should be allowed, and transferrable to eachother due to the effort >put in ; but not from your own bot, by you.

In the end, whatever your problem with this is, its the same theory as attacking player online more or less. Its allowed its in there, some ppl agree to do it some people dont agree to do it. Whereas attacking online is not in the clan race, and therefore affects only those two this affects clanwide. Besides that it is very known now (you cant really say it was before), you will see an increased effort put into doing something like this, therefore its all equal, but are you up to the challenge of putting the time into this?

Therefore it will be soon back to all the old player knowing it and all the new player not and in the end being the same arguments such as all the old players knowing all the best build/why are all the veteran players banding together in one clan/why are stars such an advantage/blablabla/why cant I start my bot at lvl 200 cause well Xerex is now lvl 200 and I want to be equal footing with him!/etc..

Lastly after this I am not commenting on this 200+ thread wtf, some people are getting lots of post counts, if your so against this shit put in a suggestion that changes the way, but as long as Ender does not change the gameplay or say its cheating.. which he has explicitly stated here that its neither.. your screwed.

It's times like this that I wish the forum was like Reddit:

• Nested discussions to prevent derailing.
• Upvote/downvote to see what people agree/disagree with.

A project for the future...

Haha ender you posted whilst I was typing my thing :), so your making it like bots2 but with 30 days of remembering past IPs?

Something about IP's aye? Just fight somebody else in your clan! Even if you make it a clanwide IP deal it will still be easily circumventable.

I prefer to see it as making it bots4 with the 30 day IP.

This game is not the same, and that's a good thing.

i would actually support this, as i said, in my opinion attacking your own bots should not be legit. But then again, its almost impossible to enforce if you do allow more than 1 account per person...

If you use ip to stop people fighting their own bots then they will just use proxies like in bots2. Maybe just allow the attacking of ones own bots but equipment loses durability for both bots. Double shopping ftw. People will still find a workaround though.

Right, I realize there's no foolproof way of preventing people from attacking their own bots.

the 30 day IP rule I mentioned above. It would still be possible to circumvent this by (1) being very careful about which connections you use for which bots or by (2) coordinating with other people, but overall this would make it much harder to pull off

It's still a step in the right direction though as it would greatly hinder those wishing to attack their own bots.

proxies aren't so easy to use and this would be a major upset on those who use to whore their own bots. Everyone likes to browse whilst fighting/training and using proxy will surely hinder any net surf smoothness. Dark Ninja Master and the like are only saying that it is easy circumvented because they hate seeing this applied.

@ Sera >.>

Final Orders, whats your point? That players don't have a life? Sure most people here are probably willing to say they do not have a life or they play it at work, or they enjoy watching movies and play the game. Whatever your reason is they still put a lot more effort and time than you if they are beating you.

yes if you are willing to buy 100-150 stars thats what 1000-1500$? do something more productive with your money and not waste it on bending a game to your favor. i rather put time into 1 bot and get energy with it and play the legit way and be a 2nd-10th clan than be a part of a piece of shit clan that has nothing better to do then basically buying first place.

There's another simple method too Ender, if you wanted to strengthen up on it at any time ; When you create a set of rules, include it in there.

Proxies, as well as potential punishment, is a double hinderance. Everyone knows you have full capability of seeing whether a bot owner is attacking another of his or not. Reset / deletion for offending players, IP bans for repeat offenders, things like that.

I suggest this, because if you're considering looking at ways to put an end to it, then I can only assume that it's because you disagree with it happening. And if you disagree - seeing as you made and control the game - you can eradicate it at your own free will.

This thread just needs to be closed or deleted with all the pointless flaming going on

End of the day, Eternal have not broken any rules, its not technically whoring. I respect Eternal as a clan and also have respect for the majority of thier players, Rivan hasnt done anything wrong, he has just been using the game to the best advantage that he could, whilst staying within the rules. Looking back on Rivans previous performances he would still be within the top few players regardless of whether he has been attacking his own bots.

Even if you try and stamp something out with severe punishments, there will always be someone who evades the system. I think the recent episode of script-using is evidence enough of that.

Personally I'd prefer to see Ender implement some new features that will improve the game's appeal rather than spend time chasing down every single player that attacks their own bots, or partakes in 'questionable' activities. If it's serious enough to be deemed cheating, punish it severely, otherwise let it be imo.

maybe you didnt read rivans post and what someone had quoted him on.

" im not whoring my bots......i just whore them to not pay repair cost"

if you look in this thread you'll find that quoted by rivan and someone else that pointed it out.

It doesnt matter EndofDays or Final Orders or whoever you are.

• What WE SPENT OUR MONEY ON IS NOT YOUR CONCERN ITS OURS.

• You drive your arguments from left to right man. You sound more like a disgruntled teenager who cannot afford money than anything. Your more against us buying stars than the bots transferring energy to one another.

• If you DISREGARD THAT WE HAVE STARS, which in any case is not a valid point to begin with as any clan could potentially just recruit players that have stars and STILL SUCK, you'll see that besides Rivan we have STILL MORE ENERGY THAN the other clans. Do stars now automatically generate energy? No.

The point of this thread was:

• Figuring out whether attacking your own bots is allowed or not. Originally yes. Now with Enders IPs system you can argue its a grey area, but essentially he won't punish someone who uses teamplay in order to attack his own bots. Final verdict; ITS STILL NOT AN OFFENCE TO ATTACK YOUR OWN BOTS.

• Figuring out whether its 'honorable' to attack your own bots for energy. Thats a factor for everyone to decide themselves. Is it honorable to ATTACK SOMEONE ONLINE? If you didnt know the OP of this thread is Shadowfiend, or at least I think so. He has around 20+ bots himself, bought around 7-8 bots (kudos bots, 115 shadowfiend, shivers, silencer etc..), bought guides on how to build bots, and bought lots of stars himself. Besides the point hes also a person who attacks bots online, theres a thread somewhere that shows it, I cbf to find it. Someone who does that is in my opinion no more honorable than anyone else so the whole point of questioning one thing and completely ignoring another is basically well.. invalid.

• Figuring out whether we want to keep the way it currently is or not Well Ender already said here he will put in measures, so keep the whining coming cause I do not believe that it will limit any players that are determined, and obviously the players that are already doing this are more determined than the players that cry about it.. so do you see a pattern of whats gonna come?

no im not a teen. my point is your clan in all spent over 1000 bucks to basically buy first place every month. take the stars and whoring away and see who ends up in first. money says its not your clan.

I agree/support Sera

Ill bet with you on the condition you remove yourself from the game willing and sign a contract that you will never be in this game and ask Ender to IP ban yourself from this game.

Of course same for me. Month September.

take the stars and whoring away and see who ends up in first.

I'd put my money on Eternal.

I'd put my money on Eternal.

+1

and me knowing of course you'll find a way to bend the rules. btw if i remember correctly in this thread rivan said he spends most of his time watching movies/anime whiel logged on. if that was true how is it he has so much time to other bots and to get energy? autoclicking/scripting? but w/e sera, i dont need to agree to your terms of IP banning me over something i have very little control in. but you think your clan is great and unstoppable, just check in a few months and see who is really on top. may not be my clan or a clan im in. but im sure it wont be you or your clan.

spends most of his time watching movies/anime whiel logged on. if that was true how is it he has so much time to other bots and to get energy? autoclicking/scripting?

Really dude? You're just grasping at straws now. That doesn't even make sense.

Now you are just making empty accusations. Some people have the dedication to log on every hour on the hour to collect that meaningless 20 energy. This adds up.

And your deflecting again man. Your deflecting so badly. Your arguments run all over the place, its like when you feel your argument is loosing you scramble to go to another argument.

No1 in this thread said we are so great. Maybe I am somewhat arrogant, being first place. But I never dream of saying we will always win. Fucks sake I dont even know whether I might just die tmr and not be here. Wtf are you talking about? Why are you pushing it to a few month time? Grow some balls, hold your stand and agree to it. If you don't gtfo and stop posting random bullshit.

Is it just me or does EndofDays seem like an obvious troll? He doesn't have any logical order to his arguments and is just posting very inflammatory stuff...

no im justing. how can he have so much energy if he spends his time watching movies/anime? after all its only the 10th of this month and if he is busy with other bots and only logging on 1 bot at a time then he either lies about watching movies/anime or scripts. plain and simple

I have to agree the focus of this thread is being lost. The people complaining aren't even unified about what they're complaining about...almost as if they're complaining for the sake of complaining. Maybe this will be the thread that gets me to implement the "thread lock" feature.

In any case, I'd say the one good thing that came out of this thread is that it sounds like people will be motivated for the clan competition in the months to come. :)

no im justing. how can he have so much energy if he spends his time watching movies/anime? after all its only the 10th of this month and if he is busy with other bots and only logging on 1 bot at a time then he either lies about watching movies/anime or scripts. plain and simple

Screenshot of me soloing LBRS at level 60 (vanilla WoW), chatting on IRC, listening to the Beatles, watching a movie, talking on AIM, doing a currency conversion, and...dun, dun, dun, playing two bots at the same time!

Enjoy:

http://edmazur.com/images/iamwowing.jpg

Oh lol, this thread grows faster than the grey hair on my back.. and yes, they do exist!

I think 90% of the players watch movies/shows or whatever when playing, i do, not hard at all. I actually raided 3 hours (WoW) lol, while gaining energy, but stopped doing that after a couple of unecessary deaths ><

but are you top energy this month atm? no. he logs on 1 bot at a time. gets what looks like 3k energy then logs on to another bot and repeats then attacks his bots. so lets see im watching movies/anime the whole time logging on 1 bot at a time and im at over 80k energy? sure sounds like legit to me

lol @ chatroom topic in screenshot ;)

Figuring out whether its 'honorable' to attack your own bots for energy. Thats a factor for everyone to decide themselves. Is it honorable to ATTACK SOMEONE ONLINE? If you didnt know the OP of this thread is Shadowfiend, or at least I think so. He has around 20+ bots himself, bought around 7-8 bots (kudos bots, 115 shadowfiend, shivers, silencer etc..), bought guides on how to build bots, and bought lots of stars himself. Besides the point hes also a person who attacks bots online, theres a thread somewhere that shows it, I cbf to find it. Someone who does that is in my opinion no more honorable than anyone else so the whole point of questioning one thing and completely ignoring another is basically well.. invalid.

Actually, every user that has replied to this thread in a negative manner towards eternal belongs to me. I do good huh?

In any case, I'd say the one good thing that came out of this thread is that it sounds like people will be motivated for the clan competition in the months to come. :)

I think they wont, after reading this thread

No I am not saying that. I said it might be you whos the thread starter. It might be EndofDays. I know EndofDays doesnt belong to you, but to EarlyDemise and hes prolly also The Chance which are in Alan's clan and use to be in Field of Babylon.

What I am saying is if its you, I do not see the differences between arguing about online attacking and self whoring/attacking/energy transfer.

Endofdays, you sound more and more like a jealous person. First your jealous of us having more money. Then your jealous of us spending money on stars. Then your jealous of us having stars. Then your jealous of us having no life cause we pwn your face. Then your jealous of us having balls cause you dont have any obviously which is quite clearly show in this thread a few posts up.

Well, I'd say this thread has run its course...

*click*