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Draoi [35]
2011-11-02 14:40:01
[13 years, 25 days ago]

It's fucking bullshit. I logged on earlier today and I had 8 points to give out. WTF!

I like staying at my level as long as I can. But instead I gain a billion fucking experience while offline and it sky rockets me up. I'm getting hella close to 40 now, where all my whores are at. Yes, I use whores. I had to level them all once just because of this problem. Just logged in, and I received another level. I don't mind losses, that's not the problem. It's the fucking experience. Offline attacks should get half as much experience or something. This leveling by people attacking me is bullshit.

/End rant.

-Draoi


 
Off [132]
2011-11-02 14:45:34
[13 years, 25 days ago]

Now let's remember who (better would be "which clan") brought this idea up month ago :)


 
Draoi [35]
2011-11-02 14:58:25
[13 years, 25 days ago]

Well, I figured I'd fucking level them up because I'd be there in a few days because your dumb asses are playing stupid.

Rape your targets, I'll rape mine. I didn't think the "All-mighty" Atriedes were such low fucking players.


 
neps [241]
<123>
2011-11-02 14:59:05
[13 years, 25 days ago]

Lol.


 
Jans [85]
2011-11-02 15:02:04
[13 years, 25 days ago]

Atreides*


 
Draoi [35]
2011-11-02 15:03:54
[13 years, 25 days ago]

pft! I think I know how to spell your clan name jasn


 
dragonrose [73]
Head Moderator
2011-11-02 15:06:57
[13 years, 25 days ago]

"Their bots are making contact with my bots! That's cheating! Stick to attacking your own bots, cheating motherfucker!"

-Draoi


 
Draoi [35]
2011-11-02 15:10:56
[13 years, 25 days ago]

that sounds -exactly- what this topic is about


 
Serr [31]
2011-11-02 15:23:04
[13 years, 25 days ago]

Would not have happened if you had not leveled me up first :]


 
neps [241]
<123>
2011-11-02 15:23:28
[13 years, 25 days ago]

Pardon my breaking character, but someone explain to me the rules of this roleplaying thread. Are we allowed to play ourselves in the old thread?


 
neps [241]
<123>
2011-11-02 15:24:15
[13 years, 25 days ago]

Whereas Kudos loves being attacked offline :D


 
Crab Whistler [41]
2011-11-02 15:25:21
[13 years, 25 days ago]

I wouldn´t want you to play anyone else then yourself neps.


 
neps [241]
<123>
2011-11-02 15:27:53
[13 years, 25 days ago]

But I already put on my dragonrose costume!

<--------


 
dragonrose [73]
Head Moderator
2011-11-02 15:28:54
[13 years, 25 days ago]

Maybe you should build your bot higher then. Its harder to "lend a training hand" to a level 80 than to a level 30.


 
Crab Whistler [41]
2011-11-02 15:29:14
[13 years, 25 days ago]

Please change it. That color works great for Les. But it dosn´t go well with your eyes.


 
dragonrose [73]
Head Moderator
2011-11-02 15:29:34
[13 years, 25 days ago]

whereas my neps disguise is very poor :(

must try harder ...


 
neps [241]
<123>
2011-11-02 15:31:11
[13 years, 25 days ago]

I don't get what the big bruhaha is. The game is about fighting other bots, preferably whilst they are offline.

& again another genious tactic from Atriedes!

Is it dragon that is the sneaky tactical supremo? If so there's always a spot for you in Eternal ;)


 
dragonrose [73]
Head Moderator
2011-11-02 15:35:18
[13 years, 25 days ago]

moral of the story : if you cry about something that your clan does too, you will get laughed at

dont think we dont get attacked offline. we just dont cry about it, afterall, its free levels :D


 
Draoi [35]
2011-11-02 15:36:19
[13 years, 25 days ago]

Neps, shut the fuck up. Let's see, stars? You must feel like a bad ass being in bots4 huh?

Bots2, you weren't shit. NiK and I tried to get you play with us some. Nah, you didn't wanna. Now, you think you are a bad ass being second in level and having a bot that stays online 24/7 because you have your fucking employees waste their hours clicking for you.


 
neps [241]
<123>
2011-11-02 15:37:26
[13 years, 25 days ago]

FUCK YOU ALL BITCHES

had to take it out.


 
IronFenix [113]
2011-11-02 15:38:50
[13 years, 25 days ago]

Neps stole my colour :(

xoxoxox


 
Crab Whistler [41]
2011-11-02 15:40:41
[13 years, 25 days ago]

looks at IronFenix

It´s still there. See?


 
neps [241]
<123>
2011-11-02 15:41:57
[13 years, 25 days ago]

Way to ruin the roleplaying fun IronFenix :P


 
Crab Whistler [41]
2011-11-02 15:43:18
[13 years, 25 days ago]

Roleplaying? Can I be the Nurse?


 
Draoi [35]
2011-11-02 15:44:35
[13 years, 25 days ago]
Its still there. See?

*It's


 
Crab Whistler [41]
2011-11-02 15:47:57
[13 years, 25 days ago]

Mitt tangentbord funkar inte som det ska.


 
neps [241]
<123>
2011-11-02 15:48:02
[13 years, 25 days ago]

Demoting bots to NC was about the people who can score more for the clan, not because these bots were hammered. Like you used to say "You know nothing about us". And btw, you guys are drowned in tears since 2011 when Eternal was created.


 
IronFenix [113]
2011-11-02 15:55:11
[13 years, 25 days ago]

Way to ruin the roleplaying fun IronFenix :P
<br/ >

Me Sorry :(

Goes to put a naughty maids outfit on


 
dragonrose [73]
Head Moderator
2011-11-02 15:57:34
[13 years, 25 days ago]

Bots2, you weren't shit. NiK and I tried to get you play with us some. Nah, you didn't wanna. Now, you think you are a bad ass being second in level and having a bot that stays online 24/7 because you have your fucking employees waste their hours clicking for you.

LOL. This is my favourite thread evar now.


 
Champion [101]
2011-11-02 15:59:53
[13 years, 25 days ago]

Drowning in tears since 2006.


 
Crab Whistler [41]
2011-11-02 16:01:28
[13 years, 25 days ago]

Did not play blue at that time :(


 
Agile Azrael [183]
2011-11-02 16:02:05
[13 years, 25 days ago]

Draoi if you don't like competition and a challenge that means more than making scarab bots and being an eToughGuy on the forums then I think you should wake up a bit.


 
neps [241]
<123>
2011-11-02 16:06:35
[13 years, 25 days ago]

& again another genious tactic from Atreides!

Drowning in tears that their dumpbots cannot keep up with other clan scorers made it happen. Pretty lame way in my eyes. And the fact that I am Graf doesn't matter, I'm not much into the game anyway. And like I said few months ago - if such things continue happen, game will die pretty soon.


 
IronFenix [113]
2011-11-02 16:08:47
[13 years, 25 days ago]

Need a better war system than energy. Period.


 
Draoi [36]
2011-11-02 17:07:17
[13 years, 25 days ago]

I was waiting for the "Atriedes autoclicks". This bots4, new game. Get out.

So, this is you guys win? Glad I left that fucking clan. You guys buy the game, level the opposite clan when you know you might lose the month. No wonder why you guys have first.

It's going to be a long as month.


 
DarkNinjaMaster [38]
2011-11-02 19:41:32
[13 years, 25 days ago]

Hmm, roleplay myself aye?

*adds pointless, off topic spam*

Oh wait no I remember now.

*feels left out because no one thinks I'm enough of a threat to level*


 
Draoi [37]
2011-11-02 19:49:30
[13 years, 25 days ago]

I know a guy, who knows a guy that could get you want you want.


 
Draoi [40]
2011-11-02 23:58:09
[13 years, 24 days ago]

http://i.imgur.com/FjrIm.jpg

He mad I onlined him :(

But really, thanks for leveling me. Found a ton of targets with energy :D


 
Zionic [113]
2011-11-03 00:07:14
[13 years, 24 days ago]

Sounds like you're the butthurt one if you're onlining him... LOL.


 
Draoi [40]
2011-11-03 00:08:17
[13 years, 24 days ago]

sounds like umad?


 
Sandworm [69]
2011-11-03 00:08:19
[13 years, 24 days ago]

I'm very sorry to inform you that your mega onlining experiment didn't make me "mad". Feel free to continue, I'm not 120lvl yet.


 
Draoi [40]
2011-11-03 00:08:51
[13 years, 24 days ago]

You sound mad samulii


 
Zionic [113]
2011-11-03 00:09:47
[13 years, 24 days ago]

Terribad troll is terribad.


 
Serr [35]
2011-11-03 00:14:18
[13 years, 24 days ago]

Y'z yous iz m4d?


 
Draoi [40]
2011-11-03 00:18:04
[13 years, 24 days ago]

u real mad


 
Zionic [113]
2011-11-03 00:20:40
[13 years, 24 days ago]

Serious? "U mad" is the only spell in your book of trolling?

LOL

Learn to troll?


 
Serr [35]
2011-11-03 00:21:08
[13 years, 24 days ago]

That was for that samuli cat :p


 
Draoi [40]
2011-11-03 00:22:45
[13 years, 24 days ago]

I feel like my trolling has been very effective, props to samulii for not responding.


 
Zionic [113]
2011-11-03 00:29:40
[13 years, 24 days ago]

Hardly.

"Their bots are making contact with my bots! That's cheating! Stick to attacking your own bots, cheating motherfucker!" -Draoi

Pretty much says it all. Dragonrose knows how to troll. :)


 
Draoi [40]
2011-11-03 00:32:33
[13 years, 24 days ago]

facepalm


 
Zionic [113]
2011-11-03 00:41:38
[13 years, 24 days ago]

You facepalm... yet,

Neps, shut the fuck up. Let's see, stars? You must feel like a bad ass being in bots4 huh? Bots2, you weren't shit. NiK and I tried to get you play with us some. Nah, you didn't wanna. Now, you think you are a bad ass being second in level and having a bot that stays online 24/7 because you have your fucking employees waste their hours clicking for you.

 
Draoi [40]
2011-11-03 00:43:29
[13 years, 24 days ago]

I really hope you are kidding.

like, realllllyyy hope.


 
Zionic [113]
2011-11-03 00:50:03
[13 years, 24 days ago]

I'll play your favorite card.


 
Draoi [40]
2011-11-03 00:57:32
[13 years, 24 days ago]

nice


 
DarkNinjaMaster [38]
2011-11-03 01:53:40
[13 years, 24 days ago]

This thread fails to deliver.


 
Draoi [46]
2011-11-03 12:37:12
[13 years, 24 days ago]

It delivered me 4 free levels last night, Insanely Aggressive will be easier than I thought ^_^


 
Beefcake [109]
2011-11-04 11:29:09
[13 years, 23 days ago]

The fuck is this shit?


 
Nosferatu [1]
2011-11-04 18:58:24
[13 years, 23 days ago]

I'm confused.


 
ShockWave [29]
2011-11-04 19:26:30
[13 years, 23 days ago]

i may be in eternal on one of mine but damn dude stop bitching. who gives a fuck if they hit you? maybe just like on green and blue some people like hitting those with ratios to see how good they actually have their bot at and LIKE wait let me resay..LOVE realwars type shit. so dont blame it on "oh hit us blahblah to lvl us cause blahblah ur all scared" grow the fuck up draoi. its just a game and so what ur getting fucked up by other players. just shows more room to grow. Jeez anyways.

-rithy


 
Lamborghini [45]
2011-11-04 19:54:18
[13 years, 23 days ago]

I hate this too... I have 10-26=5 int, after 50 offline attacks my bot was leveled 4 levels, is that really normal ?


 
ace22 [43]
2011-11-04 20:59:05
[13 years, 23 days ago]

I feed on your salty tears.


 
xRebornx [120]
2011-11-04 21:09:21
[13 years, 23 days ago]

For the change

Someone online me ... I'm lvling this bot, so every and each attack is more than welcome :P I would appriciate it very much, thanks :P


 
Jac [21]
2011-11-04 21:29:06
[13 years, 23 days ago]

I could use some free levels - thx!


 
DarkNinjaMaster [44]
2011-11-04 22:45:39
[13 years, 22 days ago]

I think -rithys sarcasm detector is broken.


 
Zionic [114]
2011-11-04 22:48:45
[13 years, 22 days ago]

I think your sarcasm detection detector is broken, DNM.


 
Draoi [53]
2011-11-05 01:27:00
[13 years, 22 days ago]

This thread is full of stupidity, trolling complete. Who said I was bad? :)


 
cwgarza [35]
2011-11-05 04:22:56
[13 years, 22 days ago]

calls repairman to fix this epidemic of broken sarcasm detectors

lol this whole thread is a joke. why is everyone mad. ^-^


 
Nosferatu [1]
2011-11-05 15:55:50
[13 years, 22 days ago]

FUCK YOU!


 
cwgarza [35]
2011-11-05 19:15:00
[13 years, 22 days ago]

FUCK LIKE ME!!


 
FelixDaHouseKat [68]
2011-11-06 12:19:33
[13 years, 21 days ago]
Now, you think you are a bad ass being second in level and having a bot that stays online 24/7 because you have your fucking employees waste their hours clicking for you.

An A/C would cheaper, and less pathetic.

But jokes aside, who ever personally logs on and levels an enemies bot in hopes that you will win a month is fucking pathetic, i dont give a fuck who you are, spend that time in making a better bot and just fight for energy like everyone else instead of being an absolute twat with your 40 different accounts.

and while im here, wtf is this freaking shit, thats a load of fucking shit too, if your bot cant handle a weapon it should be an automatic loss.

and this energy system is a complete joke, i love you ender but instead of trying to stop whores, youve still got whored bots, and around 3000 stupid accounts which do fuck all. its be easier on your server to just bring cs back, itd stop these bullshit tactics.

and this trolling stuff can fuck off too, i hope you know you are comparing yourselves to the " orginal trollers " who make fake FB accounts, join a R.I.P group, get a photo of the deceased and write " my name is **** and i loved sucking ***, too bad im dead" good work jackass

your all complete jokes.

~nautilator

P.S if you reply saying " successful troll " ill break into your home and tear your wife in half, yes you made me angry, your blatant homosexuality hurt my feelings


 
Nautilator [32]
2011-11-06 12:20:53
[13 years, 21 days ago]

what he said ^


 
ShockWave [30]
2011-11-06 12:23:57
[13 years, 21 days ago]

^


 
Crab Whistler [53]
2011-11-06 12:24:31
[13 years, 21 days ago]

/crawls away sideways ways.


 
Nautilator [32]
2011-11-06 12:25:44
[13 years, 21 days ago]

and fuck scarab blades


 
Roman [100]
2011-11-06 12:27:33
[13 years, 21 days ago]

+1


 
Mithrandon [133]
2011-11-06 12:36:20
[13 years, 21 days ago]

so if i say "successful troll" you give me a wife?


 
Crab Whistler [53]
2011-11-06 12:38:30
[13 years, 21 days ago]

1/2 wife yes. What part you want?


 
FelixDaHouseKat [68]
2011-11-06 12:40:07
[13 years, 21 days ago]

the bottom half, because i know how much you like the come in through the back door, john wayne style


 
Nosferatu [1]
2011-11-06 12:48:18
[13 years, 21 days ago]

successful trolling ftw.


 
Nautilator [34]
2011-11-06 13:06:10
[13 years, 21 days ago]

^ proly owns 30 percent of these scarab bots. useless fucking things.

nos, why level 1?


 
ShockWave [30]
2011-11-06 13:06:49
[13 years, 21 days ago]

cause nos owns


 
Serr [55]
2011-11-06 13:47:00
[13 years, 21 days ago]

Posting with a level one and idling while checking what's happening is that new hot thing.


 
yperfurt [35]
2011-11-06 13:56:09
[13 years, 21 days ago]

^


 
The Answer [140]
2011-11-06 17:17:19
[13 years, 21 days ago]

Atleast clanscore whores where available to EVERY clan to use, not a select player like energy dumping. Freaked weps is shit too, even though I use them ;p

/agree Nauts

-dale


 
Jans [85]
2011-11-06 17:21:11
[13 years, 21 days ago]
Atleast clanscore whores where available to EVERY clan to use

Eh, only to the clan that warred them.


 
FieldsOfBabylon [140]
2011-11-06 17:24:56
[13 years, 21 days ago]

Not true, you could hostile and still gain. Rather then having whores, which new players could use to win gain, level up, hostile for cl.sc you've got hundreds (probably bordering on thousands now) of perfect bots.. I didn't really like energy before, and I hate it more now there are dumpers..


 
FieldsOfBabylon [140]
2011-11-06 17:30:29
[13 years, 21 days ago]

You can't honestly tell me that dumpers, energy and freaked weapons is good for the longevity of the game Jans.


 
dragonrose [79]
Head Moderator
2011-11-06 17:31:40
[13 years, 21 days ago]

wiggin has plans to limit the effectiveness of dumping, which hopefully will come into play next month.


 
FieldsOfBabylon [140]
2011-11-06 17:34:36
[13 years, 21 days ago]

..and freaked bots?


 
dragonrose [79]
Head Moderator
2011-11-06 17:36:28
[13 years, 21 days ago]

nope wiggin likes the extra dimension freaking adds, so for now they are here to stay.


 
dragonrose [79]
Head Moderator
2011-11-06 17:40:01
[13 years, 21 days ago]

wiggin quote:

I recognize that there are flaws in the energy system and have stated that I have plans to address them.

plus further clues in this thread:

http://bots4.net/forum/4/3071


 
cwgarza [35]
2011-11-06 20:06:21
[13 years, 21 days ago]

i own several dump clans and quite a few ratio whores. imo the energy system is flawed in that you have to wait for energy every hour. and if ender gets rid of dump whores and makes it to where we have to fight higher ratio bots i will prolly stop energizing. it honestly wouldnt be worth energizing imo. and the energy system is too slow. this isnt that stupid facebook mobsters game in the way that we have to wait a certain time to where we can fight again or whatever. making whores is an important aspect of the game. it was in bots2 and it is bots4. i like makes whores. having the best whores means increasing your chances of successfulness.


 
DarkNinjaMaster [52]
2011-11-06 21:15:20
[13 years, 20 days ago]

Where really it should be having the best bot increases your chance of winning, but unfortunately that doesn't work because of thee limited builds available at every level.

Really at them moment it's whoever spends the most time online wins. It's the way of the online gamer to go for whatever is the easiest route, whatever Ender comes up with in about a week someone will have a nice new tactic that people will bitch about because they either can't be arsed, don't have enough time or won't do it because they think it's cheap.

Unless the game dynamics get a big shake up then unfortunately I'd say what I'd like to see, a PvP kind of clan war where people actually fight other peoples bots, won't happen any time soon. It'll stay as the way it seems most players want it to be, whoring, because dumping is really just reverse whoring.


 
Nosferatu [1]
2011-11-06 22:09:20
[13 years, 20 days ago]

People will always take the path of least resistance. Very well stated DNM. We don't want a very long, hard drawn out fight only resulting in a very minimal gain. We want the instant gratification and huge numbers that comes along with "whoring".

I think there are upsides and downsides to these methods, but in the end, even if it was everyone playing as many think the game should be played where whores were eliminated completely, the person who plays online the most would still win and then we'd see people complain that they're can't compete because they can't play enough and think the game should only be available during the time in which they are most active.


 
Nosferatu [1]
2011-11-06 22:10:08
[13 years, 20 days ago]

BTW, nauts. I'm leaving my main at level 1 for now. If you check my profile though I did level some and was first to make it to level 100 with less that 10 trains. :)


 
Nautilator [35]
2011-11-06 22:33:13
[13 years, 20 days ago]

You are correct about people taking the path of least resistance. And I applaud ender for the work he has done, I guess the only thing wrong with his system is the way people have reacted to it. Thats what angers me.

I honestly think for the longevity of the game. Cs needs to be brung back. Call it energy, I don't care. But the war system needs to make a return.


 
neps [245]
<123>
2011-11-07 01:18:04
[13 years, 20 days ago]

We haven't had one of these "who moved my cheese!" threads in a while.


 
Nautilator [35]
2011-11-07 02:24:30
[13 years, 20 days ago]

what i wrote about you was tounge in cheek, just thought id clear that up


 
Jans [85]
2011-11-07 02:26:42
[13 years, 20 days ago]

neps' posts are mostly tongue in ass cheek. Thought i'd point that out.


 
neps [245]
<123>
2011-11-07 02:28:28
[13 years, 20 days ago]

-cheek, +hole


 
cwgarza [35]
2011-11-07 02:37:45
[13 years, 20 days ago]

the warring system needs to be brought back. people say the energy system is a war system but i beg to differ. its boring. Clan scoring is where its at. fo sho. and here we go with the anal talk ;)


 
Jans [85]
2011-11-07 02:41:47
[13 years, 20 days ago]

diplomacy + whores = cheater heaven = end of game


 
Off [134]
2011-11-07 02:53:18
[13 years, 20 days ago]

diplomacy + whores = cheater heaven = end of game

Looks at online players number and remembers how we had ~80 on first few ones...

Game will end without cs much faster than with it. Associating clanscore with cheaters looks weird. It doesn't matter, energy or clanscore, cheaters will be the same, anyway Ed is doing nice job on catching em, so...


 
Jans [85]
2011-11-07 02:57:36
[13 years, 20 days ago]

you're right.

diplomacy + whores = cheater heaven = .5 end of game


 
Off [134]
2011-11-07 02:58:28
[13 years, 20 days ago]

Way better Jans ^^


 
neps [245]
<123>
2011-11-07 03:31:06
[13 years, 20 days ago]

Energy and dumpers:

Requires your main bot is of a good build, otherwise you will be raped. Dumpers require to be camped.
Dumpers require decent builds.
Aside from the hourly 20, dumpers require energy to be gathered on them.
Dumpers can be raped and drained of their energy by anyone able to beat them, anytime.
You cannot "hide" from someone trying to steal your energy, if they can rape you, they can take your energy.

Clanscore:

Requires, at minimum, any bot not as badly whored as your whores.
Requires a clan have access to dedicated whores, which can be built en masse in the fraction of the time required to build good bots.
CS cannot be taken by enemy bots, there is no incentive to attack real bots.
Three wars at a time only: severely limits your targets.
For sole purposes of winning, there is no reason to "go to war" against a clan of good bots, when it is much more profitable to rape whores.
Hell of a lot easier to automate.


 
cwgarza [35]
2011-11-07 03:38:18
[13 years, 20 days ago]

he hasnt caught anyone lately so im guessing your theory is wrong. and basically the ones hes caught have probably been cheaters throughout their bots careers. i know for sure TE used an AC in bots2. when he came to blue he had an army of whores within the first week. and i never played with tintin on green but im sure he used one.

i enjoy whores. i see no problem with them. the people who dont have them seem to bitch alot. lol yes one can gain energy quicker than cs but cs was never ending. you have to wait an hour to get 20 energy off of one bot then wait another hour to get another 20. its monotonous. you only have so many targets. but with cs you can get a good 100 fight rape in. on every bot you fight. the game wouldnt be as stagnant cause then people wouldnt mind lvling cause new targets would open up as you lvl. with energy people dont want to lvl cause their arent good targets at higher lvls. unless you have dump clans. all of this is my opinion and i know this isnt bots2 but i think the cs system was alot more efficient.

but ender has done a great job thus far and im sure he will try his best to please everyone. there will always be haters but all in all he did a great job


 
neps [245]
<123>
2011-11-07 03:44:56
[13 years, 20 days ago]
but cs was never ending.

Hence the greater effectiveness of cheaters.

And there is always someone to rape. They may not be 0-100 rapes, but there is still profit. This system is not perfect, but the CS system was horrible. It was, quite literally, click the most times = wins. Energy is more or less the same, but with greater risk involved.

Of course, I understand that some people want a game like that, where the objective is PURELY to click more links than your opponent, and you cannot be wrong on matters of what kind of game you enjoy. I am simply stating that I enjoy the energy system, before someone comes in this thread and says "everyone hates energy," because I know for a fact that that is not true.


 
cwgarza [35]
2011-11-07 03:55:00
[13 years, 20 days ago]

no i dont hate energy. just wish the energy system had faster energy regen. its kinda slow lol


 
neps [245]
<123>
2011-11-07 04:18:10
[13 years, 20 days ago]

How about if one attack stole only 2 energy instead of 20? Then you'd never run out of stuff to rape.


 
Made2shred [117]
2011-11-07 04:19:01
[13 years, 20 days ago]

neps loves rape ;)


 
FelixDaHouseRat [25]
2011-11-07 04:21:35
[13 years, 20 days ago]

CS cannot be taken by enemy bots, there is no incentive to attack real bots.

yes you can.


 
Cain [23]
2011-11-07 04:25:46
[13 years, 20 days ago]

i actually kinda like that neps. although going from 20 to 2 would kinda make it feel slow. but i like the concept. it would be more fights. i remember when someone getting 300k cs was crazy good. now that people (neps)can get over 800k if they had enough targets and time. the numbers are outrageous with energy. 4 mil cs was nearly impossible. Eternal will probably exceed that by a lot. this month by the looks of it.


 
neps [245]
<123>
2011-11-07 04:30:09
[13 years, 20 days ago]
yes you can.

I believe you called those friendly/allied bots, the exact opposite of "enemy."


 
neps [245]
<123>
2011-11-07 04:34:57
[13 years, 20 days ago]
i actually kinda like that neps. although going from 20 to 2 would kinda make it feel slow. but i like the concept. it would be more fights. i remember when someone getting 300k cs was crazy good. now that people (neps)can get over 800k if they had enough targets and time. the numbers are outrageous with energy. 4 mil cs was nearly impossible. Eternal will probably exceed that by a lot. this month by the looks of it.

I've actually been thinking about that a lot. However, I am sure that there will be people like those who will feel "cheated" again. Like when Ender implemented the one buff/day policy, certain people went batshit, when DOH, buffs were never even there to begin with. Same with my 2 energy/attack suggestion. People will not realize that it's not the NUMBER that wins, it's the LEAD. People will feel that Ender has failed them again. I feel so sorry for Ender, I can't imagine how hard it is to have so many people feel like you owe them something, when you actually don't owe them at all.


 
cwgarza [35]
2011-11-07 05:09:28
[13 years, 20 days ago]

ha we owe him for bringing bots back to life. but yea people will feel as if theyre getting cheated by only getting 2 energy/fight, but they dont realize that EVERYONE will be getting that same 2 energy/fight. it will solve the problem of energy not being regened fast enough and the outrageous numbers yall in eternal are putting up :P


 
Smeagol [277]
2011-11-07 05:23:48
[13 years, 20 days ago]

I like the 2 Energy per win idea, and in adition to that i would love to see a decrease of energy lost when losing, for example 0.25 or something, so that it would be worthwhile to actually attack the "good" bots, instead of all this dumping.


 
Smeagol [277]
2011-11-07 05:34:14
[13 years, 20 days ago]

Or scrap losing energy all together, would be more fun (kind of like the old CS system) Just attack whatever you can, if you win.. you gain 2 energy, if you lose.. well good for you, you dont lose energy.

In the end it would be the same? The clan that`s most active will win probably, just like it always have been.

Thats how i feel it should be, the clan that is most active and scoring most wins, should win at the end. Like any other "sport" :)


 
cwgarza [36]
2011-11-07 05:43:45
[13 years, 20 days ago]

merging energy with clan score! :)) me like!


 
Myriad [219]
2011-11-07 05:45:03
[13 years, 20 days ago]

I never really got the argument that the cs system shouldn't be brought back because it encourages cheating. If people are determined to cheat to win, they'll find other ways to do so, such as through levelling. Training is pretty simple to automate judging by number of people caught cheating in the first couple of months of bots, and I don't think there are too many people arguing that training should be scrapped/made more difficult to automate.

In the end, I don't think it really matters whether the energy system stays or whether the cs system is implemented. Whether you like it or not, the players/clans that spend the most online time will win more often than not.


 
FelixDaHouseRat [29]
2011-11-07 06:04:07
[13 years, 20 days ago]

energy at 2? its all on a scale, so i dont understand why people would get upset over that. I just think that the energy system is dogging the game, if it were like bots2 we'd have heaps of level 150 whores already, evaps with fuck all con smashing out score ( the whole reason we fell in love with the game in the first place ) and a healthy competition with the whole bots community.

now we have cunts leveling up bots in order to defeat the other clan which is absolute bullshit. thousands of stupid scarab blade bots doing fuck all where the only person or people that get use out of it is either the person who built it or the clan they are associated with ( which compared to whores which anyone could fight for score, is worse imo) bots that shouldnt even be fighting because they have freaked the build to get an edge over people playing the game fair and a format where the best place to be is level 20 and about 30 minutes from level 1.

there is no incentive for me to level up higher, at all, unless i make 20 freaked bots and fight my main, which i refuse to do at all. i hate the idea.

but in hindsight freaked bots need stars so they can order armours and swap when needed so that means more people buying stars = more money for ender, so why would he fix it eh.

i guess im just a little disappointed with the way the game is going, trying to stop whoring has just bought upon even more problems. but when the guy who built it was a leveler.. lol

if this new change doesnt address these problems ill just sell my stars and stop playing. because theres nothing here that wants me to keep playing.


 
Smeagol [277]
2011-11-07 06:13:03
[13 years, 20 days ago]

Something i have been thinking about for some time is a "ratio-cap" on how low the ratio can get, no matter if your bot has 1 win and 10k losees the cap should still be for example 0.3 or lower 0.2?

This would bring this game forward, or more upwards if you like.

By checking the HoF monthly energy list, i see maybe 10-15 bots above level 100.. for me that is not much at all, considering the game has been live for quite some time now.

So many low ratio targets "whores" in the lvl 20-60 area, if there was a ratiocap above 0.1 i think in the end it would be more fun for everybody.


 
neps [245]
<123>
2011-11-07 06:24:29
[13 years, 20 days ago]

Have you even tried freaking? Don't let your aversion to change prevent you from enjoying something new. I'm sure many returning old players are disappointed, that bots4 is not a bots2 clone. They were expecting to build the same old builds, do the same old things, with the same results. Bots4, whoever, is a new game.

Freaked builds are here to stay. Before you diss them, try them. You're going to have to learn new things, and I know that not everyone enjoys learning new things. But if you do enjoy learning, try your hand at it. There are a couple of "myths" about freaking that many people who have never even tried it use cite as reasons for their disapproval of it.

  1. Freaking requires stars. This is absolutely incorrect, I was doing 3k fights a day on a freaked bot before I got any stars on it, and I never ran into problems. You just need to camp, which is part of the game by the way.

  2. Freaking is essential. To my knowledge, barring STR redis-freaking, few builds, if any, can beat good old perfect CON answerers at 90-100. I managed a #4 monthly place, with no dumpers, scoring only three weeks out of the month, in August with a non-freaked (not even perfect) bot. Freaking is OPTIONAL. It does not let you go 0-100 with perfect bots your level. It just makes you a little stronger for the price of a little more effort. And just because you are not willing to go the extra mile, does not mean allowing others the option to do so is unfair.

So yeah, freaking does NOT require stars, and freaking does NOT turn you into a god.

On a side note, I am aware that many people I consider to be in-game friends, or people I like, do not share my views on my support of this system. It doesn't matter, it's like arguing politics with your friends, you're still friends, even if he does vote like a retard. :)


 
Jans [85]
2011-11-07 06:48:44
[13 years, 20 days ago]
although going from 20 to 2 would kinda make it feel slow.

Oh ffs..

1) good old fashioned CS gave you how much per win? Hm? Yes. 2. Max.

2) it wouldn't just apply to you, it would apply to all - you're not disadvantaged in any way


For the record, i think going from 20 to 2 is way too radical. It's the same as upping regen to 200 per hour.


 
Smeagol [277]
2011-11-07 06:55:24
[13 years, 20 days ago]

That would be cool lol, 4800 daily regen.. mm so much attacks going around ><


 
neps [245]
<123>
2011-11-07 07:03:50
[13 years, 20 days ago]

Time would once again be the deciding variable though. When the contest is a race to gather as much of X, the more X there is to go around, or the slower the gathering process, the more of a factor time spent is. Good for me, I guess, I probably have one of the highest average online times around, but then again, people will be bitching "the game has become about who can click the most," "should be about who has the best build, not who the greatest online time" etc. Whiny bitches will be whiny bitches I guess.


 
Saiyan Z [140]
2011-11-07 07:08:44
[13 years, 20 days ago]

Seems like some people just like complaining and want to play for one hour a day and be on top of the rankings. There will always be people who spend more time playing or those work out a better strategy to get more energy per hour. Also, the same people are saying it's best to stay a low level but then complain when someone levels them up. That is why it is not the best! ;)


 
Myriad [219]
2011-11-07 07:17:09
[13 years, 20 days ago]
people will be bitching "the game has become about who can click the most," "should be about who has the best build, not who the greatest online time" etc. Whiny bitches will be whiny bitches I guess.

I'd like to see more complexity in bot building, and more strategy to clan races than building the most whores, but maybe I'm in the minority.


 
Inferno [74]
2011-11-07 07:32:14
[13 years, 20 days ago]

I'm with you myriad. Complexity in builds would definitely make the game more enjoyable, and more strategy based. There just isn't enough of that at the moment.


 
Saiyan Z [140]
2011-11-07 07:49:44
[13 years, 20 days ago]

I think the energy system is much better than the old clanscore system. I agree with everything that neps said.

In bots2 I never was a huge scorer and didn't make a single whore. Mainly because I couldn't compete with people who click 10 hours a day. It was easy to make some random whore bot and fight it every day, but it takes time to make good fighting bots. In bots2 nobody ever fought bots in top clans. With energy, there is now a reason to fight them. If someone takes energy from your bots then you can go take energy from them or someone else in their clan.

With energy I can play less and still do reasonably well whereas with clanscore it was all about time spent online. If it becomes easier to take energy and harder to lose it then it will end up being the same as clanscore, the time game.


 
neps [245]
<123>
2011-11-07 08:00:15
[13 years, 20 days ago]
Seems like some people just like complaining and want to play for one hour a day and be on top of the rankings.

Perfectly said. This is probably the root of all the bitching. People can't or can't be assed putting in as much effort as others, so they want it so the path to victory is a little less thorny and a little more paved. I have invested a lot of time in my little energy gathering system. Because it is the best at the time. If the system changes, I will assess the new system and try, once again, to find the best approach, and start building the components I will need for it, if some are required that I currently lack. And thus it will always be, those who are willing to go as far as is needed will win. Bad news for those who are simply bitching about "not enough time," etc.

I'd like to see more complexity in bot building, and more strategy to clan races than building the most whores, but maybe I'm in the minority.

I would love a system work whores literally did not work. I would love to not have to keep track of dozens of bots everyday to get the numbers I wanted. But the system we have right now is all we have. After I gather the clumps of energy more than 20, every hour it takes less than 15 minutes to gather all the 20s I can steal, from my bot's level to Timbuktu. 45 minutes to wait before next hour.

So I resort to other ways of making energy. Ways I have invested time and effort in. While others bitched about the lack of targets, i built, gathered, and dumped. Same with meny fellows, who, despite being high level, still managed to pull together impressive scores. Can't hate on people for going the extra mile.

No matter what kind of system Ender implements though, I will always have the same system: find the best way to get things done, and do it as much as I can. Which will always be what brings home the gold, or in this case, Plat. :)


 
iChampion [97]
2011-11-07 08:15:26
[13 years, 20 days ago]

I like what Saiyan Z said about how he can play less and still compete due to the energy system.

And that's why I like it, I can play only about 5 hours max a day and I am getting top 10's.

If the old clan score system came back I wouldn't be able to keep up with the hardcore people at all, regardless of how good I'd make my bots or how many whores I had.

There are some flaws yeah, but I do often attack bots that have good builds (Like all the 100 dazzlers) which I wouldnt have bothered before. And last month when Rapture were challenging I would fully rape 4-6 of their members a day, and again, I wouldn't do that in the old way.


 
Smeagol [277]
2011-11-07 08:26:23
[13 years, 20 days ago]

Yeah, it doesn`t matter what system there is, there will always be the people that goes the extra mile.

But what can be done is a system that does benefit all abit more, as it is now the higher level you get as a fightbot, the worst off you will be (excuse my english, i love meatballs) fewer targets to fight.

What is the average lvl of all clanbots? If it is like lets say 55, then maybe the clanbots below lvl 55 would regen lesser than 20 energy/hour? and the clanbots above lvl 55 would regen more, to balance out where the current energy is as highest.

Just a random Smeagol idea xD


 
Roman [100]
2011-11-07 08:36:17
[13 years, 20 days ago]

+1 to the bots under the average clan level get less regen.


 
Roman [100]
2011-11-07 08:37:25
[13 years, 20 days ago]

Whoops, as I posted that had a question.

If people keep making let's say level 60's to get energy. Then 55 is now low. Then everyone gets to 65, then 60 is low.

That would be a pain in the ass if the average is 150 or something.


 
neps [245]
<123>
2011-11-07 08:52:22
[13 years, 20 days ago]

I doubt the average will reach something that high for a long time. There are too many clanned bots below 50.


 
Smeagol [277]
2011-11-07 08:52:35
[13 years, 20 days ago]

What i had in mind was that if all the 5000 clanbots below level 55 would generate a total of 1 million energy hourly, then so would the 100 bots above lvl 55. Would be a sick energy regen for the highest clanbot, but then again, we all know that the energy flows down the mountain in the end :)


 
Smeagol [277]
2011-11-07 09:06:52
[13 years, 20 days ago]

^^^^ Scrap that idea ^^^^ unless the energy taken for a win is a % of the targets total energy.


 
neps [245]
<123>
2011-11-07 09:23:58
[13 years, 20 days ago]

If energy regenrated increased with increasing level, then you'd have a better even ground. Less targets, yet more energy to go around. This shouldn't be too much, seeing as how a level 30 has surely more than twice, thrice, or more than easily four times more "farmable" targets than a level 90.


 
Smeagol [277]
2011-11-07 09:27:44
[13 years, 20 days ago]

Yeah, thats what i had in mind, but my version of brainstorming was abit "lol" :)


 
Draoi [61]
2011-11-07 11:29:32
[13 years, 20 days ago]
If energy regenrated increased with increasing level, then you'd have a better even ground

I suggested this months ago and everyone pooped on my dick saying that will hurt new players. :(


 
Jans [85]
2011-11-07 11:37:53
[13 years, 20 days ago]
If energy regenrated increased with increasing level, then you'd have a better even ground

imo, that could only work if it was some kind of floating point formula, or adjusted regularly, so it would truly only compensate for lack of targets. Perhaps a fixed amount of energy per bracket of levels, and count how many targets there are.

And easy, i'd never poop on your peepee.


 
Draoi [61]
2011-11-07 11:44:41
[13 years, 20 days ago]

At least it would curb to leveling aspect of competing clans.


 
The Answer [141]
2011-11-07 23:42:07
[13 years, 19 days ago]

Don't get me wrong, I appreciate everything Ender has done, and i can understand how difficult it must be to come to a compromise / effective system.

I guess neps hit the nail on the head.. Aversion to change. On the bright side, a good forum thread is always good. I love a debate ;)


 
Number Two [57]
2011-11-08 18:00:18
[13 years, 19 days ago]

popcorn


 
Nautilator [42]
2011-11-09 22:39:03
[13 years, 17 days ago]

THREAD KILLER!


 
Nosferatu [1]
2011-11-10 09:27:04
[13 years, 17 days ago]

I'd definitely shit on your dick easy.


 
Draoi [65]
2011-11-10 10:37:02
[13 years, 17 days ago]

awww thanks


 
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