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A god damn army! Well that or some of the old time players that were grinders to return. One day maybe someone will have a clan that can compete with apex.

With our current numbers I could beat them with a 1 bot clan of me

You think you could beat Peet? Interesting. I'd love to see it happen.

Peets a grinder not a big scorer even he will tell you I can beat him easily. There's just no reason to do so anymore. Games competition is dead through dominance I can enjoy my break

What about the guy from strung out. Chrisps or whatever his name is?

Zizu has the record of 6mil monthly, that will never be beaten ever. If Zizu want to outscore me, he can, with the right resources. But i'm sure more people can outscore me, if they have the same resources as me. Takes some time to build or you can buy them, but it is pretty easy to beat me. However, if there is some competition, I can shift in a higher gear.

Neps, Rene and pothead could beat him. It's hard to compare different eras of the game though and what 6 mil was equivalent to at the time.

I remember some of those names from bots2. Gr33n, neps, rivan, zal, fishwick, myself I'm sure could be included but only at the end of bots 2. There are many more from back then on green server that I can't remember. I miss the old days. Would be nice to see how good everyone would be without dumpers. No I'm not complaining just would be fun to see

Over half of Apex founding members don't play anymore me, tucks and lobster play osrs together or other stuff and a couple others are idle it's only really Peet, Kev and Erik that still play here and there.

Any one of these players could challenge Apex solo tbh if they tried hard enough and we clanned up everything we own that is why we are so strong every player knows every meta and has every resource they need through hard work and experience.

If a clan like Pirate haven or Mount Wario did some prep and learnt the metas instead of moaning about them they could challenge us too.

I'd be willing to join/make a clan to beat Apex but the problem is I've burnt a lot of bridges over the years and barely anybody really wants to play with me anymore. Pirate hates me, Luthrin hates me, RIth is too busy working, gr33n is in Apex, the rest of Atreides/Eternal etc. I used to play are all gone for the most part, and I got rid of a fair amount of my bots to the degree I'd have to build a lot more just to make things semi-interesting vs. all the dumpers clans out there. And even if I did I'd barely have anyone else to play with so it'd just be me solo or maybe one or two other people if they had time. So my problem becomes yes, I'm an ok scorer, not always a good friend, and nobody really wants to play with me so I just meander around doing not much of anything. Hell I spent 5 years+ away from the game and missed nothing really.

I'm sure if half or less of Apex wanted to they could easily beat Apex themselves but I doubt they'd want me to join them because of all the shit I start and as Zach said, "my and others whining and bitching". All I do sometimes is suggest something that might be useful to the game or to retain players and always get shut down.

To put it simply, it's a crossroads thing, do you spend your time scoring and never winning and not having anyone around to try winning with you or you just let things slide and not give a shit about what happens? That is the biggest hurdle to trying for #1, wanting to put in the actual effort to do so. It used to be fun when there was lots of people around but now, not so much. It used to be such a toss-up some months and I always tried to have fun helping clans get #1 but it's so stagnant now I just don't know if it'd be worth it.

Also, probably the biggest thing to do to actually change the game would be to make the game https and stop making my/others anitviruses scream out every time i want to log on lol. You could swear this game was full of viruses or something.

Just a rant, you can ignore it though. Just my random feelings on the state of things.

Funny how Pirate Haven still gets brought up despite us not being a competitive clan for years now.

I never said they were competitive, to be honest they never have been but always moan about dumping and make excuses for being losers.

Fact #3. Pirate Haven has scored over 100 million life time clan energy and that makes us be better than those that win easily every month by dumping and against absolutely no other competition!

Fact #4. Pirate Haven is the 3rd oldest (non storage or whore clan) in the game. That means a lot more than forming a clan and instantly winning 12 months in a row from dumping. What a joke that is.

Their profiles are always good for a laugh though :D

We came close to beating Escapism on several occasions. It's literally just 2 people now, me and Pirate.

Oh snap! I posted that on the wrong bot! :o

Also, the profile isn't my doing lol.

Well when you score for a clan that is mocked by a clan you associate with its probably gonna cause problems and conflicts of opinion and most apex members probably dont like Pirate Haven for whoever made that profile especially the newly recruited Escapism members since someone from Pirate Haven mocked Escapisms end very distastefully.

Anyway, I don't care about any of this I just pop into the forum now and again to give my thoughts on stuff was just explaining how Apex could be beat for the OP.

Yeah, that's understandable. Pertaining to the OP, I just don't think anyone has the appetite to really go for it.

It really wouldn't be that hard to beat us at the moment I think mainly because we are pretty inactive and after winning however many months it is now don't care all that much about winning.

Start with a good setup entry level gaming pc with a good processor and decent screen gonna be way more efficient than an intel celeron laptop with touchpad or some garbage for scoring.

Spend a month building a couple of level 100 dumper clans and 4 scorers to dump them to, if you don't have Rws to that level then just make them throw some wins on bots and level them using whatever public whores you can find.

You are already halfway there just in a month, spend the next month maybe doing the same thing without making the scorers whilst looking for help from some others and you are starting to look quite threatening especially if you play multiple bots at once for a long time.

I personally think the new Escapism is way better. It';s way sassier than the old one. THe old one was like "hey, look at all our tournament wins and boring stats" and it's no wonder they seppuku'd themselves with the treasury to attain it ;D

I honestly wonder why nobody has made a secondary tournament clan out of Escapism though instead of just putting them all in Apex instead. YOu'd think making a 20-30 bot clan of tournament bots would be more enticing than a clan all fighting against themselves. Actually, it really makes the whole tournament redundant if you can have 122 entries by ONE clan. Maybe it'd be a good idea to add a 20 member limit to the tournament system per clan to add more competition.

thank you for saying that zal we like the new clan profile too. it certainly is true and the truth does hurt doesn't it.

thats an excellent idea zal and we would like to announce that escapism will be going for the monthly win each and every month and we will be entering all of our 20 tourney bots in to future tourneys.

all are welcomed to join us as we strive to escape it all. join us and together we can make escapism in to what it never was before and that is a friendly clan that cares more about escaping the right way. but we will win it all again one day.

is that the old zal that we all loved and admired from years past? you certainly are welcomed to join us in the new and improved escapism mrzal.

Honestly I think if so eone tried to beat apex. Zizu would just start scoring and Peet would shift up dumping more. They have a solid clan of people who can score. It would be a tall task but hey I'm sure someone will come along and say fk it and stop the streak. I honestly can't be bothered building dumpers to save my life as I only play this on my phone every now and then just to stay in the top 10 when I feel like it. If I truly wanted to I could go for second but with real life shit going on I can't find the energy to do so. Top 10 is good enough......for now.

In all honesty it wouldnt be that hard to beat us, consistency would win, the more ppl that clan has that are consistent the more we would have to match, yes we have alot of resources and all but we dont have the same drive/determination to spend more then a few hours a day let alone the 10-14 hrs we did daily in our prime so my biggest advice for anybody who wanted to race us, consistency is king to win ! Ys alot of building camping dumping lvling will be needed but we all went through the struggle of doing it. So start slowly and work ur way to what u want, the earlier you start the sooner youll finish ! :)

I think the reality is that due to failure of new player attraction and retention, bots is pretty much only played by 30-something year olds. When you're a kid or a college student your time doesn't really mean that much, but when you have a full time job and other responsibilities it's a lot harder to justify sitting down and no-lifing a game, especially when the rewards are not equal to the time invested. As a result I don't think we will ever see an all out clan race ever again in the game, and even a close month will probably be rare. Not to say another clan won't eclipse Apex, but once a clan is on top it basically stays there until players quit or get banned.

shakes cane at Myriad and tells him to get off his darn lawn if he thinks we're all so old and lazy

Although I will admit that anyone playing this game still from the beginning legitimately will likely have carpal tunnel syndrome by now :) But who does that, amirite? high fives all the autoclickers I'm just joking of course.

What we need is to obviously put an advertisement on all the Budweiser cans and put up posters in bars that say "Can't get laid? Have no life? Like to get drunk and stare at porn all day? Then play bots4 in an extra window!" :)

I havent been that active since the 6mil month as it was damaging my wrist :P i welcome competition were all pretty inactive atm but i doubt i can do anywhere near what i use to atm.

hmm

-shadowrith

Saying how it 'wouldn't take much to beat Apex' is pretty copium. Outside of Apex there are like 5 other people playing the game. People said the same when Escapism was around but at least there were enough playing the game to beat them. Even then they only lost because of people quitting. I don't think the handful of people still playing outside of Apex even want to go for 1st. Nobody wants to play with autistic tards like Zal and Pirate anyway. I don't see Apex losing anytime soon unless they break up.

Not copium at all we literally have 4 or 5 active players and even then they play pretty casually, a couple who just train levelers. Like I said half of our founding members don't play anymore I just log on to check forum until Ender rolls out some amazing updates which probably maybe might not happen :D

People are just scared to try and fail instead of having a can-do attitude.

Well maybe those people should start a clan to bring some life back, if any. Either way I just get my score and place in top 10 and maybe someday I'll put in the effort to make a new record month but 6m energy is very insane to beat not impossible but highly unlike anyone time soon to be beat

Zach you truly do boarder the line of retardation. A “can do attitude” I swear your wheels are square, you square.

I’ve never had a one on one with Zal or Pirate, however I can confirm by their replies that said statement of being autistic retards is indeed the case.

I can’t see myself getting into such a shit game filled with self loathing adults that have zero life goals.

Let the return fire begin because if there is one thing I have learned about these three stooges (except Pirate) is that they do not handle criticism well. Bunch of fucking autistic soap operas.

Please go into detail Luthrin about what I said that is retarded lol, Also I'm not really sure what your point is you just come on here calling people names and chatting gibberish whilst offering literally nothing to a conversation or debate apart from anger haha.

I don't get how people can be so toxic. I'm just looking to give some life to this game for a bit and make Peet sweat a little when I decide I'm going to try xD.

the thing is nobody will ever have a chance at coming first because of the firepower apex have..its really boring tbh that nobody else will even try and compete with them anymore it just makes the game BORING.. and then you have idiots like "escapism members" and "smeagol" the spastics joining them too to make them even stronger...

Well, I dont CS at all.. I don't like that very much, but I do like to train, so that is what I am doing for Apex, just giving them free kudos :)

Well I think to each their own. Some people dump, others don't. If you want to build bots to use as dumpers then do so if not then just be active to get your score. Sure it will be hard to beat someone dumping but not impossible

http://bots4.net/history/2018/3/bots

Noone is unbeatable people told us when we made torment escapism is unbeatable. Nothing is impossible

I just wonder why if apex isn't trying, all these people who haven't been on in a long time are all of a sudden coming out and scoring again. Not that I really care more kudos to you guys but it's just odd.

Pure coincidence if we were "going" for it we would be well over 5-6m energy already, gpof and fish randomly appeared like a wild pokemon, and zizu retiring zac coming back currently wasnt planned.

If you are talking about me I haven't played in a couple of years and felt like playing a bit and showing my face to the clan I did create it after all, you wouldn't have won if I didn't play anyway I have given you all the advice you cant expect to do no prep and win a month, we aren't trying I could start playing 5 bots if needed I'm only playing one?

I don't understand what is odd about a player returning to a game they enjoy.

Doesn't matter to me like I said just weird and Zach got 300k energy in like 1 day? Seems fishy

Not that I need to explain myself but I will, I have a bunch of unused hastened adventure buff on my dumpers which I can remember the passes to there's a lot of bots I have lost due to inactivity like my dreads etc. I am probably going to use whats left of the buffs and then level my bot as weird as that may seem.

300k a day is very doable without the special buff, nothing fishy about it.

300k doable without that buff? Yeah if you are focused on the game for 12 hours straight yeah I'm sure you could Zach

My highest day when i did 6mil was 484k with like 200 hastened adventure buffs :P

I can't speak for anyone else but for me it just looked like a good opportunity to prevent some undesirables from winning a month. Haven't spoken to any of the Apex members at all really.

Exactly you need that buff. It's not possible without it. He saying it's possible without it. Either way it is what it is

Its possible without ive done it that month fucked up my wrist for like 2 months though lol :P not doing that shit again

Calling us undesirables is just mean Fish. We've been nothing but nice to everyone. You got moderator with that attitude? This game is truly fucked. Ender never comes on, the moderator calls any competition "undesirable", and Zach says "if you spent 10,000 hours on a dead game then maybe you'll beat us!" while then doing 10 days worth of scoring for a normal person in a day is all very laughable.

You can all shove it up your asses.

Its not really surprising zach can score big its his record i beat hes one of only 3 people to score 4 mil in a month and hes not banned so not sure what you want us to say lol

using the base calculation of a fight taking 2 sec min and depending on the bot your dumping could be quickerwith cheap 1 hitter whores with min con

60 secs / 2 sec fights = 30 fights per min x 20 energy dumped = 600 per min x 60min = 36k per hour dumped x 10 hrs lets say thats well over 300k

ofc you need alot of dumpers but it is doable with again the resources :P

I see....

now thats just 1 part of the equation the easy one. the hardest part of the equation is the mental fatigue and the wrist fatigue you get trying to keep chugging along day after day doing that, ive only done this vs kev at low lvls no need to declann/reclann dumpers and it takes a fckin toll on you in the long run.

Yeah well I don't have 10 hours a day to play like them I guess. I'll just keep doing me this month.

you do you Boo thats all good its just funny that you guys know/knew who your up against and now either kev scoring a big number or zach doing so maybe them fishy its just a little funny to read, everywhere its saying apex this dumpers that own everything have the numbers to prove then when a member scores it looks fshy just funny :P

I told you my goal and to beat Peet. If anyone else but Peet passes me, it's fine.

Yeah well I don't have 10 hours a day to play like them I guess. I'll just keep doing me this month.

You have played 6 hours a day on average over the last 22 days so you are not far off.

I didnt think this post could get much funnier but I actually predicted this would all happen yesterday to Erik on messenger. You guys are obviously quite new new(barring the undesirable/s) and it's great to see new faces it's what the game needs, but we have been playing this on and off for the past 10 or so years, some even longer. You might say you don't want to win but clearly you do and you are a long way off being ready unfortunately.

Exactly why are we undesirable btw? Is this something you and Fishwick came up with Zach?

I actually haven't "played" those 6 hours. Yeah I've been on but doesn't mean I've always been clicking. I go idle a lot but either way I'm just gonna keep scoring. Not here to fight about it

Side note I'm not new by any means. I've been around since bots2

i see nothing has changed Apex being the same old same old, good to see new ppl or returning players online.

i see nothing has changed Apex being the same old same old, good to see new ppl or returning players online.

Oh I'm, sure that'll be remedied by next month with nobody having the desire to try for 1st again. Back to 0 people online and nobody giving a shit.

Exactly why are we undesirable btw? Is this something you and Fishwick came up with Zach?

Nobody came up with anything as fish said I haven't really spoke to him in years infact I only realised the other day that he, Gpof and Myriad joined the clan.

You personally I have nothing against I dont know you or Neo nobody said you specifically, but I certainly don't desire to see Zal win a month or Luthrin or Pirate for that matter just to name a few. I would be more motivated to score and stop them winning that's for sure.

So I should have my own clan and put all my effort into being apex alone? Seems fair. I don't know the history as I took a long break from when I was in eternal and honestly don't know why I came back. Maybe I'll reach out to shoe, rivan and a few others from back then and see if they would like to come in for a month or so

I'm not the bots police I cant tell you what to do, play with who you want that's your decision there are plenty of players who log in from time to time that are good people.

You cant expect to win from us being inactive though and it not be a challenge though or moan about us playing and calling it weird etc is all. I'm not reposting to this now I have been nice with you mate and tried to give you advice on how to beat us have fun dont take it too seriously.

I'm not trying to be mean and as I said I just found it odd on how you came out of no where and went up 300k + and after someone explained to me how it's possible I said ok I see. Don't take a wrong it was odd to me

I enjoy seeing competition try again atheist I always found it hard to stay motivated when Noone around. It's been a very long time since there was a noteworthy race that really got things going again.

I don't really Have anything against zal ya he cries a bunch about acing but history has shown its been true quite a few times. Even he didn't see it back in the day with vile hiding as thewilderness in his own clan. Then the fiasco with trk killing strung out with acing for no real reason with free wins every month.

I don't think anyone is legit acing ATM but who knows.

Beating apex is possible they said we couldn't beat escapism when we made torrent but it happened. You really just need 2 people that know how to use dumpers and it's doable.

I'm kind of sad everyone showed up when I finally decide to hang it up but it's been nice talking to gpof and seeing fish around lately.

It's been nice seeing you zizu and will be missed even though our interaction was brief

Zach and oldtime talk enough shit to keep me checking things not gonna just suddenly go Mia for 2 years. I should talk to gpof about his secret technique of getting most top clans while doing nothing haha

Maybe that's the secret, do nothing xD

Well we say farewell to another meme er of the bots community today. Zal has decided to leave and in the clan forum said he will not be coming back.

sorry to hear that =(

It is what it is. As for me, well, Zach should be taking over rank 1 for monthly tomorrow and I won't be on at all tomorrow so he will have a huge lead , even if I was on he would still over take me. It's what it is. Was nice to have the top spot for a few days. I'll still keep trucking on. Anyone know what's the highest score without dumping? Imma go for that even though I'm sure it's gonna be a high number. This has been fun though, challenging. I know the game is pretty dead but I felt trying to bring some life to it. It was an honor and a pleasure to return from the old day. I think at the end of the year I will retire myself

As I have already said to you in Bmails I honestly dont care about top energy if I could give it to you I genuinely would but I'm not going to stop playing just to do so, there is nothing great about it apart from being a unique plat it gives the same trophy points as a top 10 plat.

I think Justin(Lobster) scored around 3 mil a few years back on the bot named Saint, that is the record probably for that. Level 50 freaked adamizers work really well for scoring at low level, on a well made whore its an instant one shot kill every time, the speed can make up for only getting 16 energy per fight unbuffed too although it is still slower than dumping.

My best month without dumpers was about 1.5m. Somewhere around 1.3m is pretty reasonable since that's what you'll end up with if you use DEIII every day, assuming there's enough targets available of course. More than that becomes significantly slower without dumpers.

I don't want anyone to stop playing. I like to earn it. It's just a personal goal I never had before. In bots2 rivan was always just a few more CS ahead of me. Here I haven't really tired for it and it would be an honor to have you push me along with the rest of apex active players to achieve this goal of rank 1. Again it has been an honor to have met you all and hope this year won't be my last.

id say 1.3m-2m at that level is considered high you will defo be putting in like 8-10+ hours a day while using buffs for the month, personally have done 1.5m at 30ish without dumping but u will be putting in 12+ hrs a day. And for J’s scored he was on about like 12-16hrs a day so… if i remeber correctly me and Tea helped him do that month but i could be wrong it might have been another bot. Problem with upraping at that lvl once u have cleared all passively generated energy ut progress halts until they regen back.

More apex gay names and mines up there! How thoughtful of who ever this is.

They are a very angry man, Apex exterminated the dodo bird is my personal favourite :D

-Zach

That's classical

Lucky.. where are my hater bots :(

No idea gpof. You've been around bots probably longer than I have.

Someone made a "so and so is gay" bot for every bot online at the time. There were like 7 of em on at one point. Including "horror inc is gay" and even a "sissy boy Crosby, rainbow fascist" lmao.

lol

Dumb bot names always crack me up lol

I feel like zal half assed me into this clan and knew he was gonna quit before the month was even over. I hate to do this but I've grown tired of people saying they want to go for the win only to give up half way through. I can see why apex hasn't lost in months and it's not because of dumping, it's lack of effort on everyone else who doesn't put their bullshit aside to make a clan together and try and actually try. Not give up because they dumped 400k in a day.

Anyways I think after next month I'm going to quit. Until someone truly wants to try for a win.

Drama ))

Either way, my 2 cents: dumping helps (and by that I mean that it is essential).

There's a saying. If you cannot beat them, join them. (and by that I don't mean to rather join Apex, though that's a possibility)

Create your own clones... um, whores. Plan in advance. Eventually pass the plan within the clan. With the same energy (and especially time) you could get way more results.

As well, I don't think that jumping clans is necessary. Get extraordinary results, and pass the knowledge. Inspire others who shown already potential. Yes, of course, RL happens. If you inspire others and maybe plan a little on what whores to create, what stats, when whom to attack, you'll all get that 1st place in no time (I mean, some months - might still need to trial what works best).

You are already a top clan.

Cheers!

It's just the fact people say oh hey you're good wanna join us in beating apex? I agree and then they quit . Games rough but definitely don't need dumpers to win. Even if 6 people has my score right now we would be in first by roughly 800-900k

Pretty accurate to be honest a mix of free energy and dumping is required and not spitting your dummy out and giving up after scoring 2 mil, also being able to play multiple bots is more of a necessity as if the pace gets high we will just clan up a load of dumpers and start scatter dumping to 5 bots at a time if we can be bothered anyway.

Yes I mean if you have the dumpers available and can only attack the same bot x amount of times a day then yes spreading out the rest of the energy is very smart idea. I'm just saying, if you had people like me, non dumping scoring bot, and had let's say just 10 people doing the same as you and just scoring, if they kept up at the pace I am at, which isn't hard to do, apex would be in trouble at the moment. Granted there are many different factors that go into that. If that was the case all along would you guys have been more active and dumped more? Probably. But still think you guys would be behind as we would be talking roughly 9.1m energy at the moment. Again there are many what ifs and honestly just want to find some players on my idea of scoring and have them be active as such and see what happens, that all.

To start if we felt threatened and you were all lowbies scoring a lot we would probably declan whatever whores we had and then challenge for the energy that is left to make dumpers more valuable which at the moment we can be 100 percent positive we have more of, this is why I have said like 10 times in forum in last month you need to prep, it's not all about who can click the most it's about knowing the situation and understanding what you are up against.

Oh that's right you guys have all the whore clans. Well that wouldn't be very fun for everyone if you did that now would it? But hey it's the name of the game. Who says I do t have dumpers? I just dont use them. I like clicking away every now and then even if I am mobile only. Hell if I was on PC I don't think it would be fair xD I'm just kidding this is all in good sport and conversation. I'm not here to bash you or anyone , just here for the conversation. You guys are crazy good and I give credit where credit is due.

Who care's if its fun, if you have the power to stop a rival clan beating you by slowing their scoring with one click of a disband button then it makes sense.

However if you PREP your own whores all we can do is challenge for it and if you make too many then it probably wouldnt be worth doing to some extent.

That's brutal Zach, very brutal. I get your point don't worry.

It's not brutal at all though lol it's just a game, there are much more brutal methods like onlining and attacking with tourney bots even then I wouldn't say that's brutal XD

The idea of most games is to find the best way to win and thats the approach most gamers would take lol, In WoW if you target the tank instead of the healer then thats a bad choice and you probably aren't going to win I could spout a million different comparisons.

Yeah I know. Well we shall see what happens. Hopefully it doesn't come to that point where I actually have to dump to get energy. I like regular attacking. Even if it is slower.

you can also make bots you can regularly attack :) I think that is even faster for scoring. The problem is, especially if you play with a new created bot, the trophy points. All dumpers have TP, so they last a while.

Apex has now by far the most resources in the game and we don't give away freebies. But give the information about making RWs, make dumpers, make good bots, We are more then happy to share. But you have to make an effort yourself to build something and that takes time I think half of the 'free' E that is available out there, is on bots that are owned by Apex. If we want we can get half, out of the game. So yea, if you want to challenge us, prepare!

A few weeks ago we build a RW line to 150 i think and that was bought by someone in wario? But i don't see it ever online / used. So there are resoures out there, but aren't used!

Peet, I have enjoyed our conversations as well as my conversations with other members of apex and other clans as well. I truly enjoyed this month of a race with you despite zal quitting out on the race. Our race has been a true blast. If you removed what I could attack out of the game there would be no race for us until I built mine up for racing. For now I'd like to enjoy my way and not have to go the other route. So hopefully I can spark some people to come back and score and have the next race be even more eventful for the both of us.

I liked, and still do, the convos and also your dedication to the game. But you have to understand that many of us have at least 5-6 years on you. So if you want to keep with us, you have to invest. Too bad Zal quit so fast for sure, as i'm sure he has a lot of resources too. You could have accomplished something with him together.

Maybe someday Peet someone will join my vision and we will do great things

I'm sure if you keep playing like this, you will get there.

There's always a dominant clan on bots that can't be beaten until someone beats them and becomes that dominant clan, maybe it'll change soon. I'd be up for doing my bit to shake things up a lil.

It's a shame I can't keep this up. Lack of to keep me from doing so

Just to be a bit contrarian to what a couple others have said, dumping is definitely not necessary all of the time. I'm sure lots of the floating energy right now from whores is from Zal, he's always made/clanned a lot of whores. Sometimes you get months where there isn't anybody involved who does that though and it does become a hindrance if you don't have dumpers. It really just depends on the month but it is of course always beneficial to have options. The most important resource is people, especially since it's such a scarce one these days :P

Well lets be honest nothing is a necessity apart from being a clan, if nobody clicks and all clans disband you could win a month just by being the only active clan lol, which might happen in the future.

Dumping has always been the most efficient way to score after using a buff on the bot being dumped to, and with the current amount of whores lying around and who they belong to I would think dumpers are necessary atm to win a month off Apex if we even tried anyway, I would put in a little more effort but probably wouldn't go crazy I don't care about wins anymore but would just do it to help friends that still play.

If someone started spamming/clanning 1000s of whores then winning without dumpers is very possible, but again that is prep they need to be built just like dumpers and the energy isnt guaranteed as we all know.

i've been trying for a while to get people to make a new clan or join but everybody seems to be happy in their own clans and don't want to compete... everybody is scared to challenge apex to be honest.. they give up before they even try (which is annoying) its been too easy for apex for a long time! they are on a 21 month win streak nearly 22 months (which is nearly 2 years) but hats off to them.. they are all nice guys also! i think the key for their success (besides them having a million dumpers) is consistency! which many other people lack.

Hopefully they finish 2 years while I'm gone quite the streak that's going. Nice to see so many people active this month been fun talking to the old inactive farts to bad they didn't show up sooner but hey that's life.

Finally I see some kind of competition. I'll make public my thoughts.

I wonder who is Neo2, it seems a legit player with the will to win. I also wonder who is Vrexus, he actually says reasonable things. I was wondering who was the guy(s) that Fish called undesirable, but then I saw Zal was scoring with Neo2 and I guess it was him.

Gpof2 having most top clan plats is quite an achievement. The "secret" is that he always was in the dominant clan. He started in Eternal, then shifted to Escapism, and now he is in Apex. Idk if he had been in other clans in-between.

During the time Escapism was dominant, at some point it crossed my mind to leave and do my own thing to challenge Escapism and bring more competition. Zizu really did that by creating Torment and he was successful. But I never did it because I didn't want to lose all the energy and my place in HoF. So, when Escapism died, I thought it was a perfect opportunity to start my own clan. The problem is that with 2 kids I don't have the time I used to have before to dedicate to this game. Atm I rather prefer to do sport when I can and the reality is it's way more easier to convince my wife that I need to exercise than to play bots haha

So, I will keep racking up 2 plats a month (top clan monthly and tournament) by being in Apex. Although I never thought I would be in the same clan as Pothead hahaha things of life. I don't dislike him, but in the past he caused so much drama that he was so easy to pick on. Well, I just remembered he was the reason why Eternal died. I always tried to not have that kind of instability in Escapism, hence I said I never thought to be in the same clan.

Well, Ender's post about updates and this thread made me waste some more time in bots and remember old days :)

Ahhh fuck plats, I will found my own clan. It's about time :)

always was in the dominant clan

Don't expose me...

Although I never thought I would be in the same clan as Pothead hahaha things of life. I don't dislike him, but in the past he caused so much drama that he was so easy to pick on.

Shame you cant leave things in the past Esv I did some stupid stuff said some stupid things when I was young, but that was like 8 years ago I am now clean of drink and drugs 6 years. I was in Escapism for a while before creating Apex also had the power to refuse you in but I have no problems with you or anybody really it's just a game, anyway hope you are doing well and wish you all the best.

I have no problems with you Zach. If you had problems with drugs and alcohol and you are clean now, that's something that's truly amazing. Congratulations for getting out of it, not many people are able to do that :)

Also went to see my nan in Beja for first time in ages this March and had some bacalhao and frango, Portugal is the best :D

I want to state that Gpof is still a slacker even though he has most top clan plats.

big if true

Not you too sam wtf bro :')

I'm with you that portuguese food is great. Your Nan was ok?

Better quality and better prices than here that's for sure, she's good cheers getting old but aren't we all, completely fluent in Portugese now which is pretty cool like having a personal translator lol.