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Some people just hold on to grudges and this personal vendetta they seem to have with me for whatever reason is draining. Luthrin or who ever is owns the fallout clan, grow up seriously.

At the beginning of the month I said specifically that with 3-4x the energy gain it would open up the opportunity to have people also use their tourney bots to screw with people harder than before. And thus, here it is.

Yeah but that has nothing to do with this specific case.

How it is not related? Fallout aka Luthrin attacked him with tourney bots with increase energy gain to stop him from scoring/lower his energy/give him losses, whatever, no?

He would have done it regardless of if it occured during this month or not. That's why it's different.

And that makes it different how? Specifically targeting someone regardless it was for a energy purpose or not is still mean-spirited.

Did you just forget what the point you were trying to argue was?

You start off by telling him that because of the changes, tourney bots are messing with him harder than before.

I point out no, it's because the person messing with him speicifcally dislikes him, and would do it regardless of the changes or not.

And then you completely disregard that and move to my point that it's specifically personal and has nothing to do with the energy changes...

It's a PVP game people seem to forget.

It's fun to make a tourney and attack someone to see how good it is even if they didn't do anything to you, I'm sure you wouldn't complain if you got raided on rust or pked on runescape, it's just part of the game and the people doing it are having fun.

I think we should embrace how the energy changes affect a tourneys value since they are hard to make well and it might motivate some players to learn how to make them.

Not that Zach and we both know it. I had 10 bots attack me, all luthrin. We all know why he continues to be a child and only target me, hence no one else got attacked by him. Anyways just more the reason I have disliked him and this game. Some people just take out all the fun for me. Back to retirement.

I mean at this point if I wanted to play I would just have to build a lvling bot and do nothing pretty much all game

Well you can't know for sure he isn't having fun, the answer to your problems is build some and if you can't be bothered to do that then buy some (I heard on the grapevine some chad builder is selling them). Then if it happens again just "raid" a Lusitania member and he will probably leave you alone.

Sidenote, I was wondering why Valhallas graph line dipped and chuckled when I read this thread.

Aren't you quitting the game every month anyways? What's the big deal this time?

I'm around more a less, personal life of more important. The same problem as always when I do play, luthrin is right there to personally see to it that he attacks me and only me. I just don't get his deal , he could move on with life but holds onto me like a blood sucking leech that I can't get rid of. Maybe he should seek help, Im not bothering him or anyone else, just minding my own business, yet this personal attacks are getting old. Not one other person gets treated the way I do in this game. Move on people seriously

It's not Luthrin, he sold those bots about a year ago and isn't active.

I agree with Zach, taking energy from other bots is the core of the game and sometimes that extends past "easy bots", we certainly both did it to each other. If you act in ways that make people want to take it directly from you, that's on you.

Well let's see, I doubt it isn't luthrin. No one else who found out this way my bot would have come after me the way I was attacked. Yeah let's go after the equalizers build bot with 100 ratio. Makes sense in my eyes.

It's a PVP game people seem to forget.

That sounds fine and dandy, but... let's be real: most attacks against real bots isn't "part of the game" and is specifically some griefer trying to piss on your Cheerios and ruin your day.

Someone "just having fun" and "just playing the game" sounds fair and great... but someone going out of their way to decrease someone else's game experience and only finding their enjoyment from trying to decrease other's playing experience is pure griefing.

Why are we defending this?

No, it's not cool to ruin the game for everyone else.

Like, was their a CONSTRUCTIVE purpose? If they were motivated by hitting him with some actual game-related objective then that's one thing (to help their clan get a win for month or whatever). If their Only purpose was... to see George get mad because they "don't like him" though? C'mon, we shouldn't act like we're all on board with that.

You freaking know you'd be completely pissed if someone was logging on and habitually targeting you and wasting their time, life, and energy (which is pretty pathetic, isn't it? People don't have better things to do with their time?) trying to hurt you... and nothing else.

Unreal that we're gonna suggest griefing is actually acceptable with how often I've seen anyone get upset from being hit.

Also, who are we kidding? This game has nothing to do whatsoever with fighting real bots against each other...

I really can't be bothered to respond to this as it seems pointless but I will anyway.

That sounds fine and dandy, but... let's be real: most attacks against real bots isn't "part of the game" and is specifically some griefer trying to piss on your Cheerios and ruin your day.

It sounds fine and dandy because it is, if attacking someones "real"(?) bot wasn't fine and dandy then it wouldn't be part of the game or allowed, infact most people do it every day when dumping but it's fine then because they are gaining wins and energy?

Like, was their a CONSTRUCTIVE purpose? If they were motivated by hitting him with some actual game-related objective then that's one thing (to help their clan get a win for month or whatever). If their Only purpose was... to see George get mad because they "don't like him" though? C'mon, we shouldn't act like we're all on board with that.

To start there doesn't need to be a constructive purpose and how do you know whatever reason they were doing it wasn't constructive to them even if it isn't in your eyes? Anyway I can think of many constructive purposes to attack a "real" bot, maybe my clan has been dumping to 10 workshopped bots all month and its really close on the last day you could drain the competing clan and each fight would be basically double energy. I think back in the Eternal days I drained Bazza when we were in a race for top energy and we were even in the same clan lol. This is before we even mention stealing RW attacks, onlining and leveling tourneys etc, the only one which doesn't really give much benefit is onlining someone but you could still argue that it's mind games or slowing an opponent down.

You freaking know you'd be completely pissed if someone was logging on and habitually targeting you and wasting their time, life, and energy (which is pretty pathetic, isn't it? People don't have better things to do with their time?) trying to hurt you... and nothing else.

It's irritating yes but that's about it, as soon as you learn to attack them back the problem will go away. As I said you can get attacked by other players on most games and that's what makes a lot of them fun, ofcourse everybody wants to be on the winning side though. Maybe someone would find it pathetic that some people expect a whole playerbase to play exactly how they want them to instead of what the game allows.

Also, who are we kidding? This game has nothing to do whatsoever with fighting real bots against each other...

I'm pretty sure that's everything Ender intended the game to be and was the reason for the diplomacy change and minimum con rule etc, players just found ways around it as it's quicker to score energy that way and now some players seem to believe the game is some safe space with imaginary red lines nobody can cross.

Also lets be honest it would be pretty boring to not see rivals attacking eachother, it builds the rivalry and competition more and it's something to talk about.

most people do it every day when dumping

I can't even.

I mean... I just can't even...

But it reminds me of the time I was young and cut my sister's hair while she was sleeping. For some reason she got mad... despite the fact that people cut other's people's hair ALL THE TIME (it's a profession and everything) and that's Exactly The Same Thing.

C'mon, dude... this is just preposterous.

I used to play a lot of different PvPs.

Ever got spawn-camped by someone that absolutely was doing it for no other reason than they wanted to grief someone and be a complete d-bag? Everyone knows those people are toxic children and their actions are indefensible. Now... sometimes things can be more complicated and everything... but the default is those people suck.

For goodness sake, it's recognized that the clowns that enjoy "teabagging" their opponents suck - and that's about the most mild form of griefing there is in games!

Let's be clear: the entire point was likely just to make George upset.

Someone did something very deliberately to try and make someone else upset... and you're all acting like it's insane for the victim of the perpetrator to be upset about someone trying to hurt them.

Like, let's pretend the perpetrator is stupid and trying to hurt people but just doesn't know how and is doing things that shouldn't hurt them... okay, they're still a griefer (just a really.stupid one)... and you still can't blame someone for not liking being attacked (even if the "attack" was making them cookies that are a too dry).

More than anything else, however... people are simply entitled to their feelings. He's upset. He's freaking allowed to be! He's not hurting you any...

And it's just insane that you absolutely refuse to accept there is any validity to his feelings whatsoever. That's insane. It's completely reasonable to be perturbed here.

We really do all know this... so what on earth are we doing here?

I mean... I've always tended to defend my clanmates to the death and all... but I don't understand at all how people can be so completely nonsensical and hypocritical in these forums.

Like... cliques are cool. Defend your peeps. I get it But if we're out here constantly insisting up is down and down is up... then it's all basically gibberish here. Like... what are we even doing?

lol

I'm not sure what is so preposterous about a bot attacking another bot on a game about bots attacking other bots, being spawn camped on cod for example is normally a sign that the other team is just more skilled and you need to just acknowledge they are better, they are probably spawn camping because its easier kills when you are funneled in spawn to use killstreaks etc.

Nothing feels better in gaming than being teabagged then winning the game and teabagging them back, which is what I would suggest to you here if you feel so strongly about it help George build tourneys and take revenge with him it might make you feel better.

they are probably spawn camping because its easier kills

That's the rub here though.

One's MOTIVES and intentions matter.

It changes completely if they were simply targeting one person for no better reason than griefing someone.

If you truly just thinking griefing is acceptable and cool then you don't have to try to justify these possible motivations.

My point is that if someone truly is just trying to make someone else miserable and grief them... then no reasonable person actually believes that's cool.

Like, for goodness sake... this isn't even something reasonable people disagree about.

It really does feel pretty preposterous to me that this is even up for debate... I mean, c'mon.

For goodness sake, this game is decades old and everyone's always known this. There has ALWAYS been some amount of player etiquette in this regards and this concept is completely accepted.

Even more absurd that I was almost always the "bad guy's who said they didn't care about "game etiquette" and only cared about actual game rules!

But... I didn't ever take the absolutely insane stance that the game etiquette and commonly-accepted "rules" didn't even exist! Because... that would be completely nuts, dude.

Like... there's a reason there is a "dickhead" trophy...

If you wanna defend being a "dickhead" or whatever... fine. But... everyone DOES think you're a "dickhead" and everyone acting like a "dickhead" very much knows the community believes certain behavior to be not cool, completely independent of any actual game rules.

Like... attacking someone who's online so that they can't even play could even potentially be optimal strategy! It's still very much been judged as not cool... and is certainly something that tends to make people angry.

Someone in showroom? We ALL know it's been judged as not cool to hit 'em while they're camping...

I could go on and on...

Pretending like none of that is real? Just absolutely insane.

What are you, dude?

Who are you even trying to convince? Defend your clanmate - whatever. But... this is just nonsense

No, no one is gonna believe water isn't actually wet.

As patient as I have been I can’t really have a debate with you when you’re just going off topic and saying stuff that isn’t true like I’m pretending people don’t attack each other to grief, or asking rhetorical questions like “what are you?.

Yes someone has attacked George probably just to upset him or for a reaction but have you ever thought George might have done something to that person for them to do that before jumping to assumption this is some sort of war crime and anyone defending it is a terrible person, it’s a game chill out and enjoy it lol.

I won’t reply again because it seems you just want to argue for the sake of arguing, some might call it griefing!

It's fun to make a tourney and attack someone to see how good it is even if they didn't do anything to you, I'm sure you wouldn't complain if you got raided on rust or pked on runescape, it's just part of the game and the people doing it are having fun. I think we should embrace how the energy changes affect a tourneys value since they are hard to make well and it might motivate some players to learn how to make them.

So... at least we can agree to stop pretending like someone was just "testing tourney bots" and all that other garbage, I guess...

Yes someone has attacked George probably just to upset him or for a reaction

Sorry, but sorta feels like the conversation was just.starting to be remotely worthwhile and honest...

But, thanks! Like... yeah. Obviously.

And... we all DO know this. That's it.

Facts have to be facts.

Lol

There's another 100K down from Confided. At this rate, the poor guy's not going to have ANY energy left by the end of the month after putting up 720k.

OOF. Making my clan look bad with that -100k stain. LMAO :D

I'm actually really confused because I tend to fill the role of the heel... but what's ya supposed to do when almost the entire community has decided to join the NWO?

...I guess this has to be my Sting phase?

OOF. Making my clan look bad with that -100k stain. LMAO :D

Making it look even worse with that -519K hit. He left.

"If you ain't first, you're last." - Ricky Bobby

So meh. :D

Well, serves them right for... coming back to the game and increasing the player pool, I guess.

Three cheers for Lusitania!

Games are a lot easier when you only play by yourself, amirite?

Yes.

https://youtu.be/ToKcmnrE5oY?si=ZjNZeQAI4TAEu2vJ

Pass.

completely off topic, but lou sanders was hilariously awesome in taskmaster ^_^

totally off topic as well, but dragonrose, werent you a crystal palace fan? In that case congrats on finally winning a trophy.

If i am wrong here, dont blame me for not remembering correctly, i am also old now ok :D

Lou Sanders is absolutely amazing... but, if we're talking Taskmaster, no one beats Bridget Christie, who wins the entire show... by just "walking."

If you say it's 139 I'm-uh-you're gonna... I-I don't mind actually; I'm just really happy in life.

haha no. QPR, I think the last thing we won was the Milk Cup in the 60s :(

& yes Mal, Bridget Christie was great too. The show is just great, I like the ones that think laterally :D

Taskmaster is an awesome show :)