suggestions

• What I can see right now is, a lot of low ratio bots who have between 0 and 20 energy and get raped every second of their life, among other bots who have tons of energy and high ass ratio's.
  
• This scenario means, we have to rape same poor bots every single time and not be able to fight among ourselves due to fear of leveling up.
  
• To make it look more like real wars, I suggest bot XP to be reduced when winning against a clan bot while being in a clan yourself. Real wars is supposed to make us fight against each other and not solely against weak bots out of defunct clans.
  
• If nothing is done fast, you'll see this apocalyptic image on every level and bots wont have targets to fight with, unless each and one of us creates bots just to have whore targets.
  
• So sugestion loud and clear, reduce xp against clan bots while being in a clan, when energy is taken, or at least make ratio not count
  
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He's right y'know

Or, ya know, winning a fight means you win a portion of your opponent's energy.

I've been trying to figure out a good way of addressing the "I don't want to get too much exp and level up" problem, but haven't been able to come up with anything.

People avoid fighting "real" bots with higher ratios because of the exp they end up receiving. For many fighting bots, gaining experience is bad because it means leveling up and having to change build. So we end up with the situation of people only beating on the low-ratio bots.

A crude way of addressing this would be an opt-out option for experience; you could simply turn off experience gain. I don't like this though because things could get stale if bots were allowed to persist at a level indefinitely. You should have to level up eventually.

I don't like this turn off experience thing either.
Wouldn't it be possible to change attack xp on bots being in a clan, so that the fight would render any ratio to divide by 10 for example (a ratio 3 becomes 0.3, a ratio 10 becomes ratio 1) so that the xp is given according to the new ratio? i don't know how hard to code it would be, I'm just suggesting ^_^

Wouldn't be hard to code, but just changing the formula like that seems like a band-aid solution. It addresses a small issue (bots not wanting exp) by changing something (the exp formula) that also affects other issues. For instance (and probably the most obvious), bots wanting to get a lot of experience from fighting other bots in order to level up would now be at a loss.

Just take your opt out solution for xp and just lessen it by 50% or any other number that you deem appropriate.

Would this also apply if you are being attacked by a bot with a high ratio and you win.

2 things:

1) it's an overal XP change. if fighting a energy whores gives me more energy for my XP i would still attack that and not the high ratio bot, even if the XP would be less. I might be a bit more inclined to attack up to 1.0 or even 1.5 ratio but probably not much higher. Hence, chaging the XP gained overall does not help.

2) There are a a few suggestions about the same problem at the end of this thread (http://bots4.net/forum/4/1892). I honestly think that the solution i explained there might work and increase real wars a lot.

Oh, and i agree with ender that also fighter should level up. A little slower than at present would not be bad though. Therefore i dont think we need tot tinker with the XP formula, or only little. Especially since INT bots will probably not like such changes :)

Divide experience gained by energy gained.

If energy lost (got ass kicked) = normal xp gain. If energy gained (kicked ass) = xp gained / energy gained.

20 times less xp for energy farmers, normal xp for int bots (who dont win anyway), normal xp for unclanned people.

To avoid int bots losing xp on their ocasional wins, turn this xp throttle only for bots with 200+ energy (any number applies here).

apart from being a redicilous idea, it is still prone to the problems i pointed out 2 posts above yours.

I thought I posted this already? Hrm...

In another thread we are wanting constant change to things don't get stagnant, yet slowing XP gain keeps people at the same level and increases the stagnation period. Double XP and force quicker change.

Mainor, you are rudely trolling for some reason. Since you failed to point why my idea was rIdiculous in that above post of yours (it's completely irrelevant), I will take no heed to your further ramblings.

Ender, can we get your take on this? Perfected bots are never in a situation where they need to level up quickly, slowere rate would be most welcome.

Faster levellers use int gear and train themselves up.

^ I approve of this

Yes it was slightly trolling, i'll try to stay more objective ;)

Your idea is not a good one in my opinion since modifiying the XP formula is not solving the problem, it is fixing the symptoms. Next to that it is prone to various other problems i have written a lot about in other threads, but i cant be bothered looking for them atm.

Next to that, why do i think it might be slower? For instance, this bot has gained 47 levels (I started at 30) in 30 days due to energy attacks only. I guess that's what you'd call rapid change?

Oh, and another one i didnt not want to go into, but since you challenged me i'll explain this one too. You suggested that this XP modification should not be in place for int bots, and thus it should not work on bots with low energy. Firstly, there are bots that do level and gain energy and would like to gain experience while leveling. Secondly, my second bot, dodgy, has 6,612 energy but is a full on int bot....

conclusion: you idea has too many wholes and flawes. That's why I called it what I did.

If we wanted to lower the leveling rate of good bots we could just lower the minimum of 5int to a lower number.

Don't change anything. It's what makes Bots interesting, the constant level ups and the forced change in builds. No xp opt out should be instituted. Having 5 int is enough of a handicap or limitation on xp gain and EVERYONE has the choice whether they want 5, 10 or more int. Keep Bots the way it is. It effects everyone the same and thats all that counts.

"Faster levellers use int gear and train themselves up." Not entirely true, there are some bots around that levels faster of fighting ratio bots :)

Oh, and i like it the way it is now, xp = level = game evolves further :)

Hmm, leaning towards just leaving things as they are now.

Don't change anything. It's what makes Bots interesting, the constant level ups and the forced change in builds. No xp opt out should be instituted. Having 5 int is enough of a handicap or limitation on xp gain and EVERYONE has the choice whether they want 5, 10 or more int. Keep Bots the way it is. It effects everyone the same and thats all that counts.

I agree with this 100%.