complaints

By that I mean how often/what they're actually used for. For example:

Announcements - What announcements? Wow, one clan won 1st place every month, whoop de doo, should really only be for updates to the game, oh wait, we never get any.

Questions - Probably the least used forum since everyone on this game now knows everything about it or they can just search it/use bots4unauthorized.

Hints - Again, useless due to search/bots4unauthorized.

Suggestions - Probably the biggest stick in the mud. You suggest something then the community comes together to shit all over it and it never gets implemented even if it is a good idea anyway. Gives people false hope that their ideas have any merit or that Ender will ever reveal what he's working on or IF he's working on anything. On top of that all ideas have pretty much been said at this point that he has a "list" that will never get finished anyway.

Bugs - semi useful but could be its own function on the game to send directly to Ender instead.

Clans - Everyone ignores any clan outside of the top 2 now so who cares.

Introductions - There's no new players so why even have this.

Complaints - The thing I'm complaining about complaining in. No point in it.

Misc. - probably the most annoying forum overall. WE DON'T FUCKING CARE ABOUT YOUR STUPID "...." 20+ POSTS TO GIVE YOU A DUMB BRONZE TROPHY. Other than that, not useful at all either.

Marketplace - there's no buyers outside of the top 2 clans so you may as well just talk to them anyway. Half or more of the deals on this game are private anyway so you never know who they sold or who even was selling in the first place half the time. Most deals could be done by bmail.

Reason I'm saying this is because the lack of well, doing anything or shitting on people's ideas has probably discouraged more people from playing this game overall than anything else. All you see is threads with dozens of comments that are either insulting each other or ripping apart each others ideas etc. with no indiction that any of those ideas or bugs etc. are being worked on at all. It's just a giant black hole at this point where all your hopes and dreams of this game go to die :/

Needs MORE drama in forums, imo...

I think MORE people should crap on each other.

All the crap!

Your mother was a hamster, and your father smells of elderberries.

I don't want to talk to you no more, you empty-headed animal food trough wiper.

I fart in your general direction.

Are you suggesting coconuts migrate?

Oh! Come and see the violence inherent in the system! Help, help, I’m being repressed!

Zal?

Luth?

Is this Zal's comeback or is this Pirate?

It might be me.

Thanks for reminding me that none of you give an actual shit about the game or its status :)

Yes we do. Any player now can be competitive, there are tons of whores that you can fight and collect energy but let's not forget it's a text based game so I don't know what do you want to expect this game to be in 2024

Now, I'm very used to having been criticized in this game... have been called almost everything at some point or another.

But the one thing NO ONE ever tried to suggest, back in my day, was that I didn't care about the forums or spend a lot of effort trying to make them interesting.

Be better, bud.

Thanks for reminding me that none of you give an actual shit about the game or its status :)

You're welcome.

But the one thing NO ONE ever tried to suggest, back in my day, was that I didn't care about the forums or spend a lot of effort trying to make them interesting.

I think the only forum that I still read is bots4 forum xD

I just wish we had a more active game developer, actually working on the game to make it better.

Also... I just applied with this bot to their clan.

I kinda know there's a lot of people with excess bots that they could throw in their clan to at least give the dude 20 bots making energy or whatever...

And... they gots spunk. I'm a fan of the cut of their gib, at least...

Help the player out, imo.

...even if I'm not a fan, at all, of the clan's branding...

I'm honestly happy that this game is still alive after all those years and thanks to Ender. It is unique the way it is, yes it would be nice to see some new weapons and shields added so we can make new builds but I don't believe the community will ever grow. It\s just us couple wonderers from early 2000's

As well as some returning players, like myself in March of this year, due to nostalgia

Zal loves making a thread like this every year or so, acting like that grumpy old guy who hates the kids having fun because its not how he wants them to have fun. Seems to have grand ideas of thousands of players actually really wanting to play a text based game from the early 00's but only if the game changes to exactly what he wants, which changes fairly often. Occasionally I bite and do a big reply so lets get to work

More game updates - zzz, its been mentioned a million times, but it's a game that is someones hobby on the side and won't change as much as your favourite triple A game will. If you want a frequently updated game, it's never going to be (and was never promised to be) bots4.

Suggestions forum - you still seem to take things personally when your ideas aren't immediately implemented. People aren't "shitting all over your ideas", they're just giving their views. The discussion is good and healthy and a suggestion should be able to survive some feedback, not fall apart when someone realizes a potential downside or bias in the suggestion (most of yours are biased to help you, lets be honest). People actually tend to give you a lot of constructive feedback about why your change may have unintended side effects, but you dismiss it all and act like they're just haters, kinda Trumpian.

Bugs forum - discussing bugs publicly can be useful assuming they aren't game breaking. It means people can discuss, diagnose and help others, or even figure out the problem (shoutout Gpof) so Ender can fix it quickly when he reads it.

I think the game is actually in a really good position (relative to the previous few years) at the minute. It's more active than it's been since 2020, actually has some clans competing with each other for the energy and tournament races and seeing new records of all kinds be set each month. Admittedly Zal did his best to suppress this new competition arising by scoring for the "big baddies" that he says he dislikes, but thankfully he failed.

It's also pretty much the best time to try and score as a new player, with more whores and energy being available than ever before. We've seen lots of new and returning players in the past few months, and they seem to be sticking around, getting stuck in and succeeding which is good to see. Lots of people care about the game, but Zal confuses the meaning of that to be "agrees with me". At this point he's just a stubborn troll that refuses to move on from a game he started hating probably 10 years ago.

At this point he's just a stubborn troll that refuses to move on from a game he started hating probably 10 years ago.

If you don't like the game then don't play the game. yup

I don't mind if people have fun on the game. It's good that people are. I just think the problem of suggesting things that never get done or get blasted for one or two points means there's no real point in Ender working on the game if someone has a problem with every idea. Most of my/other people's ideas I liked were to enhance player's fun factors on a game that barely changes. I have no grand idea that this game will have thousands or millions of players nor does Ender. Doesn't mean we should just quit on it either though.

you still seem to take things personally when your ideas aren't immediately implemented. People aren't "shitting all over your ideas", they're just giving their views. The discussion is good and healthy and a suggestion should be able to survive some feedback, not fall apart when someone realizes a potential downside or bias in the suggestion (most of yours are biased to help you, lets be honest). People actually tend to give you a lot of constructive feedback about why your change may have unintended side effects, but you dismiss it all and act like they're just haters, kinda Trumpian.

I supported a whole 1 idea this year I think and you also liked the idea too until Peet and Myriad said it'd change everything then you agreed with them. Maybe you're flip-flopper and I'm the one who wants the change :P I know most ideas ideas will have downfalls but so does every choice you make in life. What has happened to the game is that it has stagnated for far too long at this point to the degree that barely anything has been added other than a few things that other people coded for the game before Ender did (energy script, etc.). If no suggestions are ever going to be implemented then there is no point in the suggestions forum is there?

At this point he's just a stubborn troll that refuses to move on from a game he started hating probably 10 years ago.

I did leave the game. I thought I'd play a little bit on a new bot and not bother anyone while watching some shows but unfortunately I started talking about Asmo's 3 stash space idea/other ideas that got some support at first then got shit on like all the other suggestions on this game. I tried to make a good point and didn't say anything about "hey this should be done tomorrow" so I'm not sure where you got that idea.

I made this thread to showcase that nobody's ideas matter on this game, nothing will ever be done, it all just repeats itself in the get excited to talk>get shit on>result that nothing gets done>get shit on again for suggesting nothing ever gets done>everyone acts childish because they know nothing will change and don't care anymore>therefore my point about nobody giving a shit about anything.

Don't know why I even bothered writing this out since you all dismissed it with idiotic remarks anyway.

SO YEAH, SCREW YOU POOPY FACED BUTTHEADS YEAH I CAN BE CHILDISH TOO

Be the change you wish to see in the world

“We but mirror the world. All the tendencies present in the outer world are to be found in the world of our body. If we could change ourselves, the tendencies in the world would also change. As a man changes his own nature, so does the attitude of the world change towards him. This is the divine mystery supreme. A wonderful thing it is and the source of our happiness. We need not wait to see what others do.”

Seems like you're getting disproportionately upset over a suggestion you like not getting as much support as you wanted. That's not 'shitting on' a suggestion for the sake of it, rather people voicing a difference of opinion. And my opinion was that giving 3 free stash spaces to every bot in the game would be a big change to make at this stage in the game's life which would obviate the need to have stars on many bots. Why would Ender make a change which is going to make it less likely for him to get donations? That's like YouTube reducing the frequency of ads on their videos to one every few hours - they're not going to do that as that will reduce the incentive to buy YouTube premium.

Of course you are allowed to support ideas you like, but people are also allowed to point out when an idea might be bad or destabilise the status quo in the game. Also, to extrapolate that the forums are all bad and/or useless because of that seems like a rather long bow to draw.

No need to be rude about things Zal calling people idiotic etc, nobody is shitting on any ideas this is the whole point of suggestions to discuss and argue for and against them, I was actually quite open to the idea also but accepted it's highly unlikely since it's such a big change.

The forum is a place for people to talk about the game and help others etc which has already been pointed out and to be honest some players who are inactive or have gone inactive in the past still like to read the forum and catch up or say hi, which in turn can make them want to play again. Not sure why you are calling it pointless/discouraging when you use it so much.

Also lets be fair to Ender he has rolled out quite a few updates recently from fixing hastened, updating distribution points, the exp header and quite a few other things I have missed.

Let's also not forget everybody can be against a change/update and Ender may choose to roll it out anyway, it would not be the first time. He can and will read the suggestions to come up with his own conclusion as to whether or not something will be an overall benefit to the game.

Seems like you're getting disproportionately upset over a suggestion you like not getting as much support as you wanted.

I was at first, yes, but that wasn't really what annoyed me. I've been suggesting things for years as have many others and they have gotten nowhere because you and others have found flaws in all of them, which has led to a state of indecision it seems on Ender's part to do anything because of the backlash any small or large change seems to bring (more on the large decisions than the small ones). My main point in this is that if the forum is mostly used as a means to shit on each other and each other's idea (and those same ideas are never implemented anyway) then there really is no point in it, regardless of how good or bad the ideas are. All that ends up happening is people acting like idiots because they either don't want to see change or accept that it's just the way things are so there's no point in arguing or talking at all other than to annoy each other. This part can be seen by the first 7 or 8 reactions that this thread got which led me to say that nobody gives a shit because it's true. So long as the game is up and the few people that want to play can play then nobody really cares unless they are of the small vocal minority that wants change faster than others do.

Just laying out the way things are is all. Anyone who reads the forum to catch up on anything would just realize the things I've said anyway and go back to doing other stuff than rejoining unless they see one of their friends online or want to play the game regardless etc. But one can't expect to keep everything stagnant forever on a multiplayer game and expect things to get better player-base-wise or activity-wise :/

Some random thoughts from skimming this thread:

• Separate sub-forums for end-of-month posts and game updates isn't a terrible idea.
• Hints is kind of a weird sub-forum and could probably be collapsed into another. The first page goes back almost 7 years with how infrequently it's used.
• Suggestions are tricky. I appreciate the effort that people put into them, but ultimately cannot respond to them all. I do read them all and have a lot of them written down as things to come back to someday.
• Bugs is probably the most important. And I feel strongly that these be posted publicly. It's useful to have something public to link to, to be able to get input from others on whether it's an isolated problem, not actually a bug, etc.
• The "make a public post" trophy threads are unfortunate. I made the trophy to get people that might not have otherwise looked for the forum to find it, but with (a) the game being mostly not-new people and (b) people having huge fleets of bots, this has led to spam. I don't have any plans to change this anytime soon becuase I don't think it's too big of a deal, but I acknowledge that it's not ideal.